The Prime Minister, Datuk Seri Abdullah Ahmad Badawi, the Deputy Prime Minister, Datuk Seri Najib Razak and his wife Datin Seri Rosmah Mansor cannot remain silent on the latest bombshell of blogger Raja Petra Kamaruddin.
In a statutory declaration on June 18, 2008, Raja Petra accused Rosmah as among three individuals who were present when Altantuya was murdered on Oct 19, 2006.
Raja Petra alleged in his statutory declaration: “I have been reliably informed that between about 10pm on October 19, 2006 and early hours of the following day, the night Altantuya Shaariibuu was murdered, three other people were also present at the scene of crime.”
He named the two other individuals as one acting colonel Aziz Buyong, who is described as ‘a C4 expert’ and the latter’s wife, known only as Norhayati, who is also said to be Rosmah’s aide de camp.
Raja Petra further alleged:
“My informer states that Aziz was the person who placed the C4 on various parts of Altantuya’s body witnessed by Rosmah and Norhayati.
“I make this statutory declaration because I have been reliably informed about the involvement of these three people who have thus far not been implicated in the murder nor called as witnesses by the prosecution in the ongoing trial at the Shah Alam High Court.
“I also make this statutory declaration because I am aware that it is a crime not to reveal evidence that may help the police in its investigation of the crime.”
Raja Petra said he had been “reliably informed” that the Prime Minister “has received a written report from military intelligence confirming what I have revealed and this report was subsequently handed over to his son-in-law Khairy Jamaluddin for safekeeping”.
Raja Petra also claimed that “one of the Rulers has been briefed about this matter” and “is fully aware” of the allegation.
The credibility and legitimacy of the Abdullah premiership and government will suffer a mortal blow if Abdullah, Najib and Rosmah remain silent on Raja Petra’s bombshell allegations.
No wind no ripples!
But why would she get involved in this murder?
1. because Altantuya knew some top secret about the corruption allegation?
2. [deleted]
3. no idea, what else? please tell us
Because Altantuya was Rosemary’s baby!
does it mean – Adbullah and the rest should be called by the police.
Let’s see whether the malaysia police is independent or not.
that means the open secret is true — najib is controlled by adbullah.
Yes, they can remain silent, and they will. They will laugh it off as a joke, and the mainstream press will support them. The only way this thing will ever see the light of day is if the “royalty” in question verifies RPK’s account.
They will just brush it off as something totally preposterous, so preposterous that it doesn’t deserve any comment.
KEEPING SILENT=YOU DO NOT DENY IT= IT COULD BE TRUE= YOU DON’T KNOW HOW TO REFUTE IT.
Only a lunatic would make such a statutory declaration, and RPK is no lunatic.
A local press said BN was really running out of luck, from Tsunami 308 through fuel price hikes to no-confidence-motion threats.
Now the latest – new revelations on Altantuya’s murder!
Hey this is absolutely serious & mind-boggling!!! As pointed out in the above messages one must presume innocence unless it is proven.
On the other hand as was also pointed out, the parties named must come out urgently to cleanse their names & to refute their involvement in such a dastardly cowardly & unpardonable deed. If these parties remain silent but defensive then they have more than something to conceal in which case they are more than likely guilty of the murder as the abettors.
Malaysia’s national dignity & reputation as a civilised law-abiding nation is starkly at stake now. Be silent as a mouse or nonchalently shrugging it off as a joke means most defintely that the parties named are guilty as hell in the capital crime & deserve capital punishment.
There is no two ways about this matter. Explain & come out clean or be damned by GOD & all mankind besides ruining the image of our nation………..
The first thing that came to my mind was, “Yah Allah! With the implication of the PM & DPM in a murder trial, this will mean a re-election soon and the downfall of UMNO and the BN!”.
RPK you are an exceptionally brave and noble man as you surely, and most certainly, know the full consequences of your action. I am indeed humbled by your bravery and heroism!
I suggest we bloggers distribute, via e-mail and posters, of Raja Petra Kamarudin’s statutory declaration for the knowledge of all Malaysians. This way, if these allegations can be substantiated, there is no way that any of the guilty parties can get away with anything…least of all, MURDER!
this says a lot about the POLIS and the AG-a bunch of incompetents who’s not familiar with “the truth and nothing but the truth”.
“The time has come,” RPK said,
“To talk of many things:
Of money—and sex—and C4 explosives—
Of girlfriends—and ministers—
And why the lady was blown apart—
And whether submarines have commissions.”
YB,
These allegations, if true, is indeed very disturbing. It involved the value of a nation. Those involved should (MUST) clear their names.
Even though it’s not proven, it hurts. I suggest RPK know what he’s doing!
YB, most importantly, the ‘no confident’ issue: I hope it’s YOU who’ll do the act! It’s the time, before everything goes out of hand. PLEASE HELP OUT. It’s only YOU who are capable of doing such a move!
PLEASE, SIR!
I think UMNO is going to be like Titanic!
woh. the 1st and 2nd (and wife ) in the country involved in the murder of mongolian girl. this is scandalous of international proportion.
AG already concluded that there were “only 3″ persons involved and they are already in court on trial. It is an open and shut case even though it has lasted over 100 days.” Is anyone doubting this “expert”?
Is some Minister going to say: “Fresh investigations will serve no purpose, will involve alot of public funds and waste alot of precious time. The investigations will reveal nothing new as we already got the culprits. Let us just give everyone an ex-gratia payment and close the matter.”
Will the Defence Minister say: “Actually there is no “Military Intelligence” to speak of because they all only have SPM qualifications. Besides, they all only obtained C4 in Explosives.”
Will the PM say: “I don’t know anything about it. I slept through it all. Ask Jeanne, she’s my alibi”?
And will the Ka Jang (KJ) satay man say: “Who? Me? I thought it was my Insurance Policy”?
And will Rose say: “I wasn’t there. I was definitely at another Guy Fawkes bonfire party that night bogeling away”?
And will the ACA DG and IGP say: “We are awaiting for instructions from higher ups. So far nobody has filed a complaint”?
Ane they all lived happily ever after. The End.
From Oliver Twist ( Bill Sikes’ murder of Nancy):
Of all bad deeds that, under cover of the darkness, had been committed within wide London’s bounds since night hung over it, that was the worst. Of all the horrors that rose with an ill scent upon the morning air, that was the foulest and most cruel. The sun- the bright sun, that brings back, not light alone, but new life, and hope, and freshness to man- burst upon the crowded city in clear and radiant glory. Through costly-coloured glass and paper-mended window, through cathedral dome and rotten crevice, it shed its equal ray. It lighted up the room where the murdered woman lay. It did. He tried to shut it out, but it would stream in. If the sight had been a ghastly one in the dull morning, what was it. now, in all that brilliant light!
YB LKS, I must urgh all BN’ s cpmponent parties like MCA, MIC, Gerakan and the rest should pull out of BN if RPK SD is true.. for it a shame if they could support the UMNO led goverment which could hide and cover up a incident like this with the help of the police, military, AG and also the Judiciary. I also all urgh all the citizen not to support the BN led by the UMNO led goverment.. this cannot be tolerated..Can i ask if this RPK’s SD can be brought up and being question in Paliament. Please do it if p[ossible.
Tks.
Justice must prevail….
The hand behind the scene is out.. They have to deny this allegation by hook or by crook. These is no good.. If Hippo goes down then it will also drag BIN Razak together with it. If Bin Razak is going down, he’ll drag A LOT OF Others with him. Hell gate has opened.. the candidates for the visit please standby.
Or.. just for thought.. maybe this Bin Razak is trying to get rid of his Hippo, as The Grand Old Man have told him. “Want to be PM.. Then leave your pet Hippo first”. Whatever it is, after some many years as BN MP or Adun, none will dare to come out from the pack. The KEY for their Skeleton closet is with the Sleepy Chief and his goons. Yong teck lee is just the example. Police, ACA and SPR .. Judiciary all are still in their control.
Once People’s government takeover as Federal Gov. then a new Prison has to be build just to cater all these Goons. I’m sure the Prison would be larger than Putra Jaya. Just waiting to see that day. May Lord above will just fulfill this small wish of mine.. or say the people of Malaysia.
I wonder how reliable RPK’s sources are. Whatever, the allegations if false are slanderous and Rosmah must take action to clear her name which is probably RPK’s objective: to see her in court. Actually her best course of action is to totally ignore the allegations and keep very quiet and quietly ask the police not to probe further.
It all depends on Baginda. Is he willing and ready to take the fall for the rest of the gang? What about the other two ex-cops?
I wonder what songs & dance they are going to perform if the punishment is “gantung sampai mati”?
This is MORE than SERIOUS, to put it mildly!!!
If the allegation is true (every fair minded person will perceive so in the positive), what we are having here is our nation is being led by 3 highest leaders of its land, the PM, DPM and potential future PM who for some “unknown” reason, have chosen to conceal a murder case of the most inhuman & barbaric kind. Such willful concealment lands themselves as equally inhuman & barbaric. In the public eyes, they are far worst than criminals!!!
Would we want such immoral people to lead our beloved country??
Nothing short of a Royal Inquiry will suffice in order to flush out the truth. Since we now know the ACA in practice has proven itself to be nothing more than a BN dept, we seriously believe the same with the AG, so how can the people get to the truth? Time for our Agong to act?
What a bombshell!
They are denoted a World War II bomb in Ipoh too right?
Baginda and the 2 cops will start talking when the punishment is “Gantung Sampai Mati”! The the whole show will start all over again!
Yeah, how about turning the whole Putra Jaya into a prison farm? Kind of tourist center for other to visit to see all those pull behind bar.
I like the idea..
Shiok Guy
No, these people must not be allowed to lead the nation.
So what do we do now?
A no confidence vote for AAB could bring NTR to power and everything gets swept under the carpet.
So what do we do?
I think RPK knows EXACTLY what he is doing and is going to do with those evidence.
What can we do? Alot of people kept saying number 2 and wife did it and place Baginda there to take the fall… well….. is it really true?
We would not know for sure except for those who actually did it…. how can they sleep so well at any time of the day?
Time for our Agong to act? That must be done since HRH is the Armed forces Supreme Commander. Love to see that Col Aziz Buyong answering to HRH Agong. Who is he more loyal to? HRH or BN goons? Just wait and see.
Lets see how MALAYSIA handle this. Raja Petra, my advise is 1) Hire Foreign Bodyguards (local guards could be bribed). 2) Be more carefull… u could be next C4 victim. 3) Don’t trust anybody. THEY are going after you, for sure. May god bless you my brother!
RPK dropped a C4 onto PutraJaya…
after all UMNO not my favorites party, as their leaders super suckers and bloodily jiaz RAKYAT $$$ under the sun without shy…
can Yang Pertuan Agong expels these crooks from Malaysia…
Tuanku these yan-ja telah memburukkan nama baik Tuanku dan Malaysia… always thought that RAKYAT dungu macam mereka… :-)
Baginda now holds the truth… Remember the time he blew his top in court when his father said something to him.Baginda,s father wanted him to tell the truth.yet he ( Baginda ) refused..
Now the police will call RPK to Bukit Aman.They will ask RPK who his informer is.knowing RPK he will not tell.So the police will charge RPK for withholding evidence.Case close.
But then again the law says” a person is innocent until proven Guilty.By the way what happen to Lingam,s case.One of the six is still a minister.I for one don,t trust our courts at all ..Our AG is a joke.ACA to me is UMNO,s watch dog.PDRM is another component party in BN.
That’s why UMNO needs to stay in power at all cost. Too many things implicate and incriminate them. Even the retired TDM is worried over his many doings.
What a rotten Government. I can only conclude MCA, MIC and other BN components are all crooks.
Among some friends we have joked that it must be some real bigshot who ordered the killing. But RPK’s statutory declaration is really something else.
Like a piece from the feudal past, where the king, queen , prince or rich landowner can literally get away with murder, the perpetrators of the crime thought they can do likewise granted their powers. But they have not thought they will need to contend with an righteous person who wants justice for the deceased.
So, will justice prevail?
I hope so.
It is better all the sh*t come out to see the sunlight and let the stock market nose dive quickly than drag on one by one for a slow kill.
If you guys want to change something, change it fast.
If you guys do not want to change anything, shut up.
Now, I would really like to see the leaders of MCA come up with a statement bearing serious concern regarding this bombshell. Please think before you blindly run in defense of your masters. Remember, this is a SD implicating the wife of the DPM and not some personal vindictive allegations.
Nah, I am also in wishful slumber like that Mr.Bean of ours. How can we even expect Ong Ka Ting to do the impossible. Did they say they wanted to remain relevant to fight for justice for all Malaysians?
One day has passed and there has been no response from any one of them. Journalist use to run after these VIPs to get reaction about Opposition sins but in this case they have got their tails in between their legs.
If their response is a plain denial, I am sure RPK will come with another piece of evidence, even more damning and explosive.
No one is above the law! We shall see…….
This is indeed very disturbing & mind-boggling news.
I can’t sleep when I visualized the scenario.
May GOD bless Malaysia!
RE: Raja Petra said he had been “reliably informed” that the Prime Minister “has received a written report from military intelligence confirming what I have revealed and this report was subsequently handed over to his son-in-law Khairy Jamaluddin for safekeeping”.
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ACCESSORY AFTER THE FACT – Whoever, knowing that an offense has been committed, receives, relieves, comforts or assists the offender in order to hinder or prevent his apprehension, trial or punishment, is an accessory after the fact; one who knowing a felony to have been committed by another, receives, relieves, comforts, or assists the felon in order to hinder the felon’s apprehension, trial, or punishment. U.S.C. 18
lectlaw.com/def/a007.htm
Time to change our government and bundles those involve in the murder of Altantuya to Sg Buloh jail before hanging them.She is a terrorist of Osama Bin Laden’s caliber !
The TRUTH is that they know who the killer/killers are.
You can see it in Yong Teck Lee case, When he announced SAPP will move a motion of no confidence against the PM in parliment, the BN quickly slapped him with courruption charges happened MORE THAN 10 YEARS AGO in 1996!
This show how corrupt this BN dockeys are! you scratch my back I scratch yours, you don’t “port” me I don’t “port” you, you take I take as long as we are in the BN, everything is “BOLEH”.
So you can understand why “NAJIS” has to be “GOODBOY” all this while, because somebody know the “TRUTH”.
For those who doubt that this revelation could not be true, ask yourself whether RPK could fabricate such a bombshell to get himself on the chopper board for nothing.For those who have been following his blog he has said that his mission is to bring down the prime minister. Looks like he is on his way! May the force be with him.
For those who wants to read his STATUTORY DECLARATION, please go to http://harismibrahim.wordpress.com and let as many people know as possible.
Very sad that Abdullah would rather use the secret to rein in Najib instead of acting like Bao Qing Tian.
Never mind, the bombshell has already blasted and cracked UMNO. In due time we will see it fall apart.
The transition of political power from Abdullah to Najib is on its way to be badawied!!!
So our PM is blackmailing his deputy which is a criminal offence, is it not? Impeach PM and DPM. Is there such a process in malaysia?
When RPK says “I have been reliably informed”, it implies the likelihood of him having the informant ready on the standby, though hidden for now, to testify, when the time, place, occasion and forum is right for disclosure without jeopardizing the witness’s safety.
The gauntlet he throws at the government – is I have this: do you want him to come out, subject to the right conditions, to tell the truth? If the government prevaricates, dithers or maintains in-elegant silence without giving an appropriate response, the most negative and adverse inference will be drawn against it for not wanting to know the truth. Either way susah lah!
I am not even surprised he may have a copy of the alleged military intelligence report.
The part of an undisclosed Ruler being privy suggests that RPK is giving a veiled warning that if the situation is escalated by a C4 being used against him, the matter will not end there and that there is a Ruler out there who will pursue the matter.
The wonder of it, assuming the information is accurate and reliable, there could be such a fourth person hidden from view witnessing the proceedings of the other three, unknown to them, and that witness to a crime, until now not known to exist, keeping silent all this while and recently disclosing it to RPK.
I suggest praying for RPK & Malaysia because only GOD can help us now because these “Spawns of Satan” will be after RPK for sure now.
The other scenerio is that they will now definately try something to ensure that the PR do not take over the Federal Govt. for if that happens the lot of them are going to jail & you can be sure they are not going to let that happen.
God protect RPK & save Malaysia!
Lim Keng yaik’s recently conferred tunship should be taken back and conferred onto RPK instead.
Pete should just seek shelter with his cousin, the Sultan of Selangor and use the palace facilities for the time being.
I am quite certain no one will dare to storm the palace.
Stay fit, Pete.
SDF 1T
Would you give a vote of no confidence for
1. elected politicians being physically ” entertained ” ?
2. elected politicians telling stories about where he has been to,
what he was doing, when was the incident, why he did it, where he did it, how he did it ?
3. elected politicians being excused for his deeds ?
4. elected politicians manipulating or being manipulated to cover his tracks ?
5. bosses of elected politicians who sleep until somebody screams into his deaf ears ?
We are so focussed on the SD that we have forgotten all about the three accused for the murder of poor Altatuya.
Are these three man mere scapegoats or ‘stunt man’ or fall guys? Were they paid million of ringgit to go through the trial with a promise of an acquittal? So, is the trial a sham? Was Razak promised bail but denied by the judge against outsiders’ advice? Was that the reason the judge and the prosecution team were changed? Is that the reason the trial is deliberately been drawn to go on and on et infinitum?
Is that why the immigration records went missing?
Don’t all these add up to prove that there is truth in the RPK bombshell?
If Rosmah is innocence, she should have done one of the following acts:
1. Sue Raja Petra for lying;
2. Swear on Quran; or
3. Subject yourself to a “lie-detector” test.
Otherwise, all of us will conclude that you’re . . . . . . .
This is most serious. We are not only talking about murder, but also aiding and abetting in the murder and concealing evidence of crime, and obstruction of justice.
Not only Badawi, Khairy, Najib and Rosmah will be implicated, but also the Attorney General and all the police and military personnels involved in the investigation.
Another BIG reason why Pakatan needs to take over NOW, and also the reason why BN may stoop to new lows by using the power of incumbency to prevent such cross over – including ISA arrests.
Pakatan MPs, please be careful.
Jeffrey,
You are right that the wonder of it is how RPK’s informant knows so much. However, note that RPK did not state that the three new individuals were the only ones present when Altantuya was murdered. RPK said that these were three “other” people – implying that they could possibly be in addition to some or all of those presently on trial. The possibility of even more people being present is also left open.
There are so many injustice done by BN and BN related people that are still on the table but nothing done. One of them is the the BMC PDRM brutality and Altantuya. If you go deeper all the police report about crimes that PDRM ignored can also be a type of injustice. How we end up this end God knows.
So, do you think a # 2 in Malaysia will be prosecuted by the government. Tough luck and it will happen only if we have PR in power by September. However, if PR does come to power the priority is to clean up the food on the table and fuel in the economy issues first. This case need to be hand off to the court to decide and the only involvement need to do is pressure it to be given to another DA and in another court room with different judges. Let these judges decide on the ruling. That is the only way to not politicise this issue.
Rosmah chose the wrong guy to mess around with. This is worse than a C4 blast.
RPK seems to be confident and if he has the truth, we should support him.The police should investigate those mention and not only rpk. Lets see if they are PDRM or PDBN. we need to find the person behind this cos it is the right thing to so in any civil society and any religion including Islam.
so lets wait and see what is the next move by PDRM.
After so many allegations…the sad thing is…people “somehow” tend to vote for the BN, PM, DPM
Are we that oblivious to these matters?
or shall I say are THEY that oblivious to these matters?
Bringing down the Nation on our buttocks steadily and rapidly.
Well done “TWO” them :D IDIOCRACY
Even though we all have a sneaky suspicion who was behind it all from the missing Immigration records and the explosive outburst from Baginda’s wife in court, this SD from RPK is the first legal action directly linking this dastardly crime all the way to the top in the corridors of power in Putrajaya.
As some have posted here, it is damn if you do and damn if you don’t for AAB. This SD, if true implicates him and his SIL as well. They are accessories to the fact by keeping quiet all this while. And why give the report to the SIL for “safekeeping”? For whose safekeeping? The reports or the SIL? I can imagine the report will be very useful if the SIL has this report in hand when and if Najib do become PM.
Is this the cause of the delay in handing over power? Is it because the horse trading is stalled and we have a Mexican standoff between the PM and DPM? When you have both parties with shit in their pants trying to extricate themselves without smelling bad, it does take a fair bit of acrobatics.
“One day has passed and there has been no response from any one of them.” Mr Smith
They would be stupid to respond.
What they say in response would then become evidence later should they be charged. They must have been advised by their lawyers not to issue statements. Their silence is not evidence of anything.
RPK is no ordinary guy to want to do something like that. He must be obsessed to want to see our country run properly not at this UMNO ‘s whims and fancies. We all know that the country is going down the drain after so much abuses like corruption of the highest degree, from the lowest, right under to the highest. It is really sickening. None of these UMNO people together with their Barisan cahoots can plead innocence. The actual rot started more than 25 years ago. I am a forgiving person but for Malaysians to suffer for generations to come is totally unforgivable. These guys should die a thousand deaths. To end here, I believe that RPK will be able to take care of himself but I will pray to Allah to look out for him. All the best to RPK.
“…we have forgotten all about the three accused for the murder of poor Altatuya. Are these three man mere scapegoats or ’stunt man’ or fall guys?” Mr Smith
Two of the accused should have been found guilty of the crime of murder. In my opinion, the confession or confessions were wrongly ruled out by the trial judge.
Evidence against the remaining accused is one of conspiracy which is more difficult to prove. I have not been following the trial. For a trial to last this long is an indictment of our legal system. Shame on us!
Plastic explosive aka C4 in the military are strictly accounted for; there is logging in and out, just as bullets rounds are accounted for, and are audited. That is in the Malaysian military.
The police, well you need to chat up with those field force police personnel how they account for their rounds. It may be quite different.
C4 is not just strictly for military. The police, and approved blasting companies are also allowed access to generic C4. However, they have their own C4 dna, that is to say they are traceable to origin of manufacturers and by inference suppliers and buyers.
Even minute traces of explosives, general explosives of any kinds, have their own dna so to say.
The military is under the Defense Minister; the police under the Home Minister.
Just as the military have their explosive specialist [the experts are always dead], so do the police. Buy yes, you need an explosive specialist to work or handle explosive for the simple fact than non trained personnel will have their balls shivering so uncomfortably they would not be even be able to walk with explosives in their hands.
Explosive specialist are usually in specialist positions.
To Jeffrey QC
“I have been reliably informed that between about 10pm on October 19, 2006 and early hours of the following day, the night Altantuya Shaariibuu was murdered, three other people were also present at the scene of crime….” RPK
Are we any nearer to solving the crime?
The special forces guys are expendable. They will have to place their lives in the line to protect the VIP they are assigned to. Now is the time. If they need to be hanged, so be it. Do u see the logic. No questions ask, “money back” guranteed, so says the commercial…
Well well, what a news. My guess will be full BN party members will come out in full support of DPM. Next RPK will be hauled up for OSA and thrown to jail faster than a speeding bullet.
As usual whistle blower will get the full brute force of the law and the criminals go scorch free. Malaysia Boleh, BN Boleh.
“My informer states that Aziz was the person who placed the C4 on various parts of Altantuya’s body witnessed by Rosmah and Norhayati,” Raja Petra claimed in the document.
“I make this statutory declaration because I have been reliably informed about the involvement of these three people who have thus far not been implicated in the murder nor called as witnesses by the prosecution in the ongoing trial at the Shah Alam High Court.” RPK
My informer! My informer! My informer….and so it goes.
Will the informer stand up? If this informer then states he heard it from others, has no personal knowledge of the events, then RPK’s SD is not worth the paper it is written on.
Why do you think RPK made the SD, just a stratagem?
To help keep the issue alive in the public media.
Nah, not that simple and easy. There’s definitely more to it.
Agreed.
It’s going to be Ghost Festival soon and Alantuyah’s Angry Spirit will be haunting UMNO. UMNO sooner or later will become a Ghost Ship, wahahaha…………irre….
RPK in effect throws the gauntlet and say to Rosmah “C’mon sue me!” She would be foolish to do that.
How to investigate?
fact#1 Polis PDRM also involved & implicated
fact#2 Attorney-general spineless
fact#3 majority of judges from Mahathir era, still ‘korekx3’ one
fact#4 All top BN leaders tainted, especially after this latest RPK revelation, (it is impossible AAB is unaware)
Foregone conclusion, “tiada cukup bukti or bahan bukti hilang”
kes tutup, semua tertuduh boleh bebas….
They can even get away with murder, how can anybody still support BN, no moral, no intergrity, no conscious, no shame people…
Heck they can even do it to a fellow Muslim, anak Melayu jati, ex-DPM, no.2 man in the country, plan fake evidence on him, convict & jail him, what is a Monggolian woman who sleeps around, what is her life worth?
There is one & only solution to this ‘political-illness’ that shrouds
over this land, total elimination of UMNO & all her cronies..
If the others in the coalition, have even a shread of decency left in them, they will follow the steps of SAPP to to the right thing
& leave the coalition of “Evil” where even murder, taking another person’s life is no wrong. vote of no-confidence is simply not good enough, nothing will change…
September seem so so far away………..will it be too late by then?
“The purpose of this Statutory Declaration is to urge all these parties who have been duly informed and have knowledge of this matter to come forward to reveal the truth so that the police are able to conduct a proper and thorough investigation into the murder of Altantuya Shaariibuu.” RPK
To urge all parties who have knowledge to come forward? Would you come forward if by doing so would incriminate you or place your life in danger?
C’mon, RPK! You’re way smarter than that! I would like to believe you have other reasons.
This looks more like a “poker game” to me now. :D
Nothing is going to happen.. The “Government” ostrich has dug the hole to hide.
– “RPK Who? Said What? I don’t know what you are talking about.. I don’t know anyone by that name.. Nobody inform me bout this.. Yong Teck Lee is Greedy.. That i’ve been informed.. err SIL is that right?”
– “The search for the killer is not over and now we will focus on making the killer evade and see if the parents had been negligent in looking after her safety.”
“It is high time for parents to be more responsible for their children’s safety, hippo with c4 is very dangerous”
Sometimes if we know nothing, it is better to talk less. If we want to say something, we have to make sure that we have some value-add. Otherwise it is just wastage of space and others’ time. It is like having an IQ of 70.
Jong Says:
Yesterday at 23: 59.18
“This looks more like a “poker game” to me now.”
A poker game with very high stakes, I might add.
The mainstream media’s extreme quiet is not only deafening but worrisome indeed.
Is there a gag order issued, and on whose orders?
I think we the rakyat have every right to know what’s going on?!
It is up to the presiding judge in the case to issue a gag order.
Where are the foreign press ??
BBC , CNN , Reuters etc ?
Last few days have seen some very interesting developments. The timing is very coincidental (?). SAPP no confidence in AAB, RPK Altantuya SD statement, DSAI strong statement. What else? Ah ya, Monday’s no confidence proposal. PR going to support this? I bet they will!
RPK definitely has many things up his sleeves. He is not stupid to sign SD without back-up support – maybe even cell-phone video record of Altantuya’s disintegration (?), sworn written and witnessed statement from his reliable informer/s (?), etc etc.
Whatever it is, this latest scenario has been very well choreographed to bring down AAB and DPM, and possibly to also spite TDM.
AAB has been silent today, even tonight’s TV3 midnight news no mention. Ha! sleepless night tonight for all the guilty parties? Whole night meeting? If tomorrow Sunday still no official BN govt mention on this, then it is confirmed and to be accepted as the truth.
LKS and DSAI, make sure this issue is kept in highlight! RPK, watch your back 360 degrees spherefically (get what I mean?).
RPK and PR (note that I place RPK ahead of PR), the die is cast! Do what is necessary.
Sleep well all who are just; sleep with nightmares all who are unjust!
goodnite all!
“I think we the rakyat have every right to know what’s going on?!” Jong
Comments on cases sub judice under our legal system is an offence leading to contempt of court proceedings – especially in criminal cases. It is deemed as an attempt to interfere with due process.
It does not sit well with our constitutional right to free speech. The courts should not be too strict about such comments. But then the court will have to balance the right to free speech and the right of the defendant to a fair trial. We should be careful because public comments on an on-going trial may lead to the overturning of any conviction later on. We do not want that!
…on the other hand we do not have a jury system or jurors who could be influenced by what they read. So they shouldn’t be too strict about it.
Can anybody confirm that the 2 suspects who go in and out of court with their faces fully covered are the 2 policemen who is accused of murdering Atlantuya. They could be impersonators or some paid drug addicts who will be charged and hanged.
Tell me what other things UMNO cannot do.
Meanwhile, on the MSM front you can only hear the cricket noise and nothing about this latest C4 explosion by RPK. You wonder is their credibility going down the drain or it is their “Freedom of Press”interpretation. Which they choose what to publish or not watever they decide. If that is the way they intepret them I have to respect that. But, than again I can walk away and also say to MSM what a dumb press in which I exercise my “Freedon of Speech” right.
DAP, PAS and PKR you guys need to move fast to get these so call leaders out of the Federal Governement..
PKR’s de facto leader Anwar Ibrahim invited Barisan Nasional members of parliament to defect to his Pakatan Rakyat to “save Malaysia” on 20th June at the Shah Alam Stadium June.
But since when have BN members wanted to “save Malaysia”???
Yet his veiled message – and one that never fails to convince – is actually – you better save yourself!!!!!!!!!!
Thats the point PKR vice-president and Sabah PKR deputy chief Dr Jeffrey Kitingan makes to all opportunists within the BN camp still prevaricating – that the Sabah Progressive Party (Sapp) has made the right move!
Especially Gerakan MCA & MIC members – think – how long more the coalition in which they are part of could sustain judging from tectonic March 8th shift in Rakyat’s support, the factionalism and internal dissension within in its immediate aftermath and things falling apart with all the sewage spilling out, especially in light of RPK’s revelations making the whole continuance of BN concept morally untenable?
UMNO, the back bone of BN, is in throes of power struggle : from where do you think RPK gets his leads, information and possibly evidence to make those allegations and exposure if it were not from there by power brokers ambitious to displace the top two?
But of course they have forgotten that by their actions of undermining the top they have also undermined the BN idea itself in which they part of making it no more a morally viable proposition, so eventually there is actually no where to ascend to.
Right now the BN titanic that is taking more and more waters is hit by another RPK rogue wave.
It must be within their calculations of self interest and political survival that for those who jump early, there are still places in the life boats and alternative PR vessel parking nearby instead of icy shark infested waters if and when that ship finally sinks and there are no more places!
Unless of course they think it can still bale water out and will not sink : they have to weigh and make that decision.
This is one damned good poker game, I should say.
They have reached the 5th card and this is the time you will sweat the most. Does RPK has a better card or is it just a bluff? I think RPK definitely has the trump card and he is not stupid to pull a bluff.
Either way, all the the participants are damned whether they deny or not. Now that this whole issue has been blown up in the open, it will be very difficult for them to cover up. If what he said that “one of the Rulers has been briefed about this matter” and “is fully aware of the allegation” is true, I presume that he must have also shown that ruler the evidence as well.
RPK is safe for now and I don’t think they can use c4 on him now. The best they can hope to do is pray for a lightning to strike him!
Sleep well RPK and for those who have problem sleeping, see the doctor for some sleeping tablets.
The credibility of these number and and two men in UMNO has seen been gone many moons ago.
The people have more faith and believe in RPK rather then the PM and DPM, what a shame!
Like it or not, the people already formed their opinion about this murder case no matter how the DPM and their gangs might want to deny it.
On Monday, RPK will be slapped with a multimillion lawsuit for slander and there will be a restraining order on this issue. The PDRM and AG’s Chambers will come out and say that they have investigated every angle of the Altantuya case, and that they are satisfied that the investigations are complete. They will say that RPK is out to create mischief, and they may even take him in for further interrogation.
Then what ? The mainstream press have deemed the recent hoo-ha as un-newsworthy and even some Opposition blogs are not giving any prominence to the “earthshattering” revelations.
written by ahans, June 21, 2008 | 03:29:25
Dear RPK,
This sounds like a made up story… too hard for me to digest. sounds like a cheap grade B movie script.
Are you NUTS or what? If you cannot understand what a Satutory Declaration is GO PISS OFF before you write your comment OK . This is not a make up story to entertain you or anyone and neither is it a cheap grade B movie script . Perhaps you should go watch a porn movie to satisfy your urging and jerk yourself out .
RPK has stuck his neck out on this to tell the truth . And implicating people with names requires you to have BALLS , Big Balls .
Coming from a nincompoop like you only tells me you are moron with pea size brains and balls.”
Malaysia-Today
The Lingamgate issue demonstrates the standard modus operandi of the den of thieves.
First, you deny the rumours. Haul in the rumourmongers for interrogation. Charge them with something, preferably a charge that is non-bailable.
Second, tell the mainstream press not to bother with reporting anything.
Third, when confronted with evidence, say that the evidence is fake or contrived. When there are calls for an indpendent commission or expert determination, shoot down such calls. Term this as “unnecessary” or “a waste of taxpayers’ money”.
Fourth, if the calls for an independent commission are too strong to ignore, agree to the formation of the commission but make sure the commission members are friendly. Wave aside any protestation of incompetence or conflict of interest.
Fifth, if the commission somehow finds some merit in the accusations, ask the AG and the IGP to investigate, but don’t give a timeframe. Just tell the rakyat the cheque is in the mail. In the meantime, get the guilty parties out of the country. Pay for their picnics along the Swan river, or pay for their tea in Bayswater.
This “poker game” is getting everybody including bystanders all sweating out. It’s survival of the fittest, mentally and physically. But this poker gam to me is not about bluff, it’s about timing and guts.
oops.. sorry spell: “..game to me”
It is strip poker, Jong.
One layer of clothing every time you lose until the truth is laid bare for all to see.
I don’t know if I want to see the accused or the accuser “laid bare for all to see”.
In the wake of the explosive statutory declaration by Raja Petra Kamarudin, the deafening silence in the MSM further destroys the credibility of the independence of the media.
The absence of any response from BN politicians equally erodes their standing in public ratings.
Truly, no one is in any position to lay claim to the veracity of the declaration. On the contrary, public interest must be given due regard by all those elected into power.
http://www.malaysia-today.net/2008/content/view/9089/84/
Can I opt to be blindfolded, but promise to be all ears? :D
I don’t think you want to see Rosmah in the raw – unplugged and all!
Both!
Rosmah can so easily defend herself:
5. The Lingam Alibi: Looks like me, sounds like me but can’t say its 100% me.
4. The TDM Alibi: I tak ingat lah……
3. The AAB Alibi: I’m soooooo sleepy. Let me think about it.
2. The Najis Alibi: Charge RPK with sedition now!
No.1 Alibi: I was shopping in London
I see a lot cynical remarks and challenges thrown at Raja Petra Kamarudin over his sworn statutory declaration.
What immediately comes to mind is that, which one of us bloggers dare to print/write such sensitive declaration against those powerful people? We just write, write, and write but that’s it!
We are all fully aware of members of the DAP, and other political opposition parties, being detained under the ISA, but that is political.
Which of us bloggers are willingly to be detain under the ISA for seditious writings as Raja Petra Kamarudin has done and gone through.
Raja Petra Kamarudin knows what he is doing and, most importantly, willing to accept the consequences of his action. He still has a court case in October 2008 for “part one” of the above same murder case. We should respect his bravery, and, at the very least, lend our support to his noble cause.
should there be a move to table this SD in parliament as it implicates the 2 dummies + consort? It is of public and national interests, and if they are hiding information does it fall under some points of law such as conspiracy and abetment? probably more…..
It looks as if Altantuya’s murder has all been orchestrated by some VVIPs who could control the Immigration Department, the PDRM, the Judiciary, personnel from the Malaysian Armed Forces and of course civilian vips such as Baginda.
RPK’s bold move has revealed more worms from an already stinking can. By taking out a SD, RPK is not only saying that he really wants all those involved in such a dastardly and barbaric act to be send to hell but he expects them to take action against him if they dare.
Knowing how the BN works, the PM, DPM, Rosmah, KJ and others mentioned in the SD would go on denial mode and the MSM would not let the rakyat know anything about the SD.
Hope some investigative journalists would take it upon themselves to dig further and highlight the issues at stake so as to bring about greater awareness among the rakyat to what the VVIPs are accused of.
Such awareness would be the downfall of BN and all the accused in the Alantuya murder scandal.
If the component parties in the BN cherish fairplay (not foreplay of the CSL kind) and the interest of the rakyat as their priority (not that they had shown any so far) now is the time to leave the BN and UMNOputras who are corrupted to the core and would not shy away even from murder to cling on to power.
Well, what are the grovelling lapdogs from the MCA, MIC, GERAKAN, PPP and the gutless and neutered MPs from Sabah and Sarawak waiting for?
This will be a never ending accusation and everyone will be in denial.
When the police are provided with tips and hints of whom might be involved, they’d try to get them in for questioning.
But if the same situation arises for the so called “BIG HEADS”, they are tremendously ignorant and never given attention to what they might refer it as “irrelevant rumors”.
So what is the purpose of such things being discussed when I personally think its not going to do much for anyone at this point of time :)
Unless of course, if the Police are going to stand up for themselves calling up the “suspects” in for questioning and MAYBE JUST then we could see the independence of that uniform :D
POSSIBLE? *chuckles*
Which Police? …you mean UMNO Police?
They waste no time if UMNO makes a police report!
The SD by RPK, Item 4 says:
4. I have further been reliably informed that Prime Minister, Dato Seri Abdullah Ahmad Badawi has received a written report from the Military Intelligence confirming what I have revealed above and that the report was subsequently handed over to his son-in-law, Khairy Jamaluddin, for safe-keeping.
Hey, what happened to Kasim Amat, the UMNOputra ? He is as silent as the mainstream press, but we all know he is reading every posting here.
Sir RPK’s courage is under fire..!!! What the heck..? Malaysia need many more brave souls like RPK who speak nothing but the truth. Sir RPK, I adore you.
Yes it is time to speak the truth instead of “sweeping everything under the carpet” style or “abang-jaga-adik” mentality. Seems the carpet has become a hill already, the evil, racist & phony bunch are gonna stumble soon due to their evil deeds.
It is about time for us to drive for “Change” in the interest of a new and fair Malaysia for all Rakyat rather than run by the corrupted, racist, phony, self-enriched and evil “Goons”vernment.
Sir RPK, you are the BEST..!!!
Don’t we already know all along that his sil is the defacto Prime Minister! It’s only that village idiot, that Imam of Hadhari denied and lied. He insults the intelligence of the rakyat.
indeed
Saudara Kasim Amat…hehehe…also suspected to be JK…is preoccupied strategizing for tomorrow’s parliament sitting. All very hush hush but not making much headway as the head of UMNO has not yet awaken, and the DPM is at another strategic meeting and deep consultation with military commanders over Raja Petra Kamarudin’s sworn statutory declaration.
There is even quiet whispers of looking for new offices.
Let’s ‘jaga’ our RPK together, a true genuine original best Malaysian Rakyat.
Give him our prayers, support, our ‘chi’, focus our brainwaves at him, think for him, protect him and may he be the savior of Malaysia and may he be the ‘catalyst’ in UMNO/BN’s end…
We should accompany him whenever he is called up by wicked men, greet him, meet him and wish that G-d’s angels of Just will help him crush Deputy Botak, Bapak Tidur and DBKL Rosmah (penyapu jalanan).
Malaysia now has a TRUE contender for PM position, this man will bring justice and welfare back to the people of Malaysia. We hope as soon as possible!
who are the 10 Sarawakian MPs being sent to overseas in order to avoid a no confidence vote against abdullah?
Does anybody know who’s this “acting” Col Aziz Buyong? Is he still having a free-run?
Let’s C4 Altan’s murderers to hell
C4 THEM!
Good Luck to M’sia.
Is the whole damn bloody episode for the interest of National or Personal Interest??? Hmm..!!! I think it is more for protecting ASSUMNO’s VVVIP’s personal interest in the pretext of “National” carmouflage???
So what is the different between our damn governing politicians and Marcos??? No difference but corrupt…corrupt…corrupt..!!! Are we supposed to call it “National Interest” when the term is abused to protect the most evil, most racist and most corrupt???
As far as what I can see, only Nanyang Siang Pao has reported this news on its headline today, but it did not mention Rosmah was involved.
In the light of RPK’s latest revelation, may I know why the two police officers and Baginda have chosen to remain silent in their murder trial? Are we saying that they are willing to be fall guys even to the extent of being charged for murder? It is just too mind bogging for me.
Let justice be done.
Limkamput:
Being charged with murder is just sandiwara, and nothing more. They changed prosecutor, they changed the judge, the prosecution witnesses can’t answer questions properly…all destined for the prosecution to fail. If they are ever found guilty and sentenced to death, they may not be so accomodating.
The silence in all main stream papers regarding RPK issue is really very deafening.ACA director said on Bernama news today ..That ACA don,t take instruction from anybody to investicate a case…This is to regards with Yong T L issue.. Then why did the same ACA director said earlier that there is no instrution from AG CHAMBERS to investicate the six person involved in the LINGAMS CASE..
As i have always said the ACA, EC and PDRM is another component party in BARISAN NATIONAL.
I dont know what the fret it is about the ACA…..they are just a waste of public funds……glaring corruption deals they look over and there is never prosecution for guilty selected parties……the PR should just close it down when they come to power and create another unit which is independant. The ACA in Malaysia is synonymus with failure and apathy..
Read my blog
Lt. Kol Aziz Buyong, Kor Jurutera Kementerian Pertahanan
http://www.rights2write.wordpress.com
Yes, Putrajaya has the kind of ‘heat’ and vibes suitable for a prison. All these years I was wondering its feng-shui but now I see the light and its suitability.
To save UMNO from loosing power, kick Sarawak and Sabah out. Then UMNO will still keep its majority. Please do it to us, like 1965 when Singapore was kicked out
So far no comments from Rosmah, Najib or Pak Lah. This case must be investigated thoroughly . No stones should be left unturned!!!
Hiro: …”Not only Badawi, Khairy, Najib and Rosmah will be implicated, but also the Attorney General and all the police and military personnels involved in the investigation.”
Don’t forget the mainstream media (press and electronic) editors and chiefs who would have been in the know and turned a blind eye and keep silent.
One further question:
Even if i agree with you that the trial is “sandiwara” and for show only, would you be willing to be like the three of them to be charged without knowing exactly how the outcome is going to be? Would you be willing to subject yourself to all these humiliation of being taken in and out of prison? Yes, i can see what most of you are seeing in the trail process. I am just trying very hard to understand what i am seeing.
For the BN MPs, this is the time to jump ship and a sinking one at that! Would you want to be associated with such egregious and despicable acts and dubious leaders?
how come, how long
it’s not right, it’s so wrong
do we let it just go on
turn our backs and carry on
wake up, for it’s too late
right now, we can’t wait
she wont have a second try,
open up ur hearts as well as ur eyes.
“The credibility and legitimacy of the Abdullah premiership and government will suffer a mortal blow if Abdullah, Najib and Rosmah remain silent on Raja Petra’s bombshell allegations.”
Well, certainly they have the right to remain silent but, in the court of public opinion they are already guilty until proven innocent. Unless RPK is arrested and charged by Monday, what he revealed must be true.
AAB, Najib, KJ and the rest will be dreading to be present at the Parliamentary session not only facing the barrage of questions on the price hikes but also RPK’s SD!
Can an MP table a motion regarding RPK issue.This issue is very damaging to our country.Imagine no main stream media has the b#$#s to report it.If this same thing happen to an opposition leader i bet my last dollar it will be headlines in all main steam papers.
By now each and every mongolian is talking about it.How the wife of the DPM is involve yet not action is taken.Now it made sence …Because Baginda don,t have that kind of power to ask imigration to erase all evidence that shows Atlantuya and her cousins were in Malaysia.
At the end of the day, nobody will be prosecuted in the case simply because “NOT ENOUGH EVIDENCE” again as usual when it involve those in power. Most Malaysians will have rough idea in the head what is gonna happen as this is not the first time it happened in Malaysia. The laws are only target the poor and the middle classes like us. The Mongolian beauty murder case will be just “buang” like trash. This is the problem when our judiciary system is not indenpendent and even police force are controlled like dogs in leash by “Goons”verment. As long as Abd Razak Baginda is not prosecuted, those involved will be safe. So remain silence better, right??? Don’t believe it….just wait n see the outcome…!!!
Bloggers and everyone concerned about the country’s well being should do postings of RPK’s SD not only to bloggers sites but also to all mainstream media (MSM) ‘letters to editor’ (which I think being done as I say this) so they can’t pretend ignorence (lamest of excuses as they are first to be in the know in order to react accordingly)
No that easy, citizenwatch.
Najib has total control over the editorial chiefs of the news organisations. a phone call “no headlines, please…” is all that it takes. Forget about mainstream media. use other means.
Godfather Says:
Today at 13: 00.48 (2 hours ago)
Limkamput:
Being charged with murder is just sandiwara, and nothing more. They changed prosecutor, they changed the judge, the prosecution witnesses can’t answer questions properly.
Do not forget they can even change the defendant as till today nobody has seen them in their face. They 2 fall guy, drug addicts I suppose will be hanged and their family will be rewarded handsomely and the 2 policemen will be packed off to another third world country never to be seen again. How does these 2 drug addicts know who was present during the c4 detonation?
KUALA LUMPUR, June 22 — The government will table a motion in Parliament tomorrow on the issue of increases in the prices of oil and other goods as well as the measures to tackle them.
Prime Minister Datuk Seri Abdullah Ahmad Badawi said Domestic Trade and Consumer Affairs Minister Datuk Shahrir Samad would move the motion immediately after the question-and-answer session.
“I don’t want to say what the motion constitutes because it will only be read tomorrow when the time comes,” he told reporters after a briefing on subsidy restructuring for Barisan Nasional (BN) members of Parliament at Angkasapuri today.
Abdullah said tomorrow’s discussion would take time and the government was ready to discuss it the whole day to give an opportunity to the elected representatives understand the issue.
On today’s briefing, he said it gave an opportunity to those present not only to pose questions but also give ideas and comments. “Everything went well and was very meaningful. It is my hope that BN representatives are able to carry out their duties and responsibilities in debating the motion tomorrow.”
There will be NO live coverage of the debate by RTM, he said.
On the dissension by the two Sabah Progressive Party (SAPP) members of parliament, the prime minister said: “It is party discipline that they support BN.” — Bernama
THE GREATEST OF ALL CRIMINALITY IN MALAYSIA IS UMNO, ALSO THE MOST RACIST PARTY IN ASIA.
pwcheng:
It is perhaps too far fetched to suggest that the defendants may not be who the government says they are. I think I could envisage a situation where they are told they will be either acquitted or, if found guilty, packed off under new identities with a handsome payoff so that they don’t have to work for the rest of the their lives. If they can have phantom voters and ICs for sale, creating new identities for certain individuals should not be a problem.
I guess since the AG’s Chambers, the Police, the judiciary are all beholden to the executive, we have every reason to be skeptical about the outcome. If Anwar could be found guilty of the so-called evidence against him, then we can presume that those charged in this case could be pronounced innocent.
According to my friend who is working with the Engineering Corp in Mindef, the Engineering Corp has access to Plastic Explosives like C4. It is a controlled item. This creates some shivers in my spine after being told about this. According to my friend, Lt Kol Aziz Buyong was last seen in Sabah on assignment last Wednesday (18/6/0 8) and has not return to office since then.
http://rights2write.wordpress.com/
“I am just trying very hard to understand what i am seeing.”
Limkamput
10 years ago, we tried very hard to understand what we were seeing when Anwar was prosecuted by the AG and the PDRM in a kangaroo court. We knew that was the work of the Michavellian Mahathir, and we cheered when he packed his bags. Mahathir’s successor came and proclaimed that there will be a new era, an era of transparency, integrity and accountability. Instead, he adopted all of Mahathir’s tactics, and continued to make the AG’s Chambers, the PDRM, and the judiciary as servants of the executive. Under these circumstances, they think they can do ANYTHING.
It’s no longer too hard to understand what we are seeing.
Reposting, Tickler’s comments Today at 18: 19.33 (1 hour ago) refer. So quickly the colonel ‘disappeared’ – not suing RPK for defamation?
Lingam was at least around as witness to say “look like me, sound like me and maybe its me”….but if colonel not around then, it will have to be “ looks like him, sounds like him and it has got to be him!” which is of course not as good as the former’s case.
Any idea whether RPK’s informant/witness has used a cell phone camera to capture proceedings?
If & assuming there were really such an informant/witness, as RPK claims, then it would be ordinary to send him on a private sponsored witness protection program.
Ulan Bator, Mongolia would be good place : (1) the Mongolian Government could extend protection and (2) govt of independent sovereign country could use the ingformation obtained for use, if needs be, in the international arena to seek justice.
There our witness could comunicate with relevant persons back here via video conferencing and YouTube.
Mongolian govt is watching this poker game..undergrad lets keep it a poker game not strip poker. you know why la. don’t want to spoil my sex life la bro.
Anwar delivered on Lingam gate and he and rpk knew the ground sentiments before the election.with SAPP issue and now the SD, seems it is all done with good timing towards 16th Sept. Do’t underestimate Anwar nor RPK. They are no fools like Pak Lah or the Oxford KJ. actually Oxford should be shamed of KJ.
Is there any posibility that there is motion in Parliament to discuss these “absurd” allgation by Pete. I think Rosmah sould clear her name. Being the countrys No 2, does not reflect the good principles / behaviour a No2 should have. I think YB Lim should just pass a motion in Parliament tomorrow. May be we can get support from more BN component parties beside SAPP for this motion.
Long live RPK! God Bless!
In the boleh land you need to be a crook to join in UMNO.
“In the boleh land you need to be a crook to join in UMNO.”
Or you can join in to be trained as one..
According to the Star, the police is going to “investigate” RPK’s allegations. The question on everyone’s mouth now is is our police really capable and qualified to do the investigation? we all know the police and all other departments are part of umno’s sub-divisions and we all know what the result is going to be.
If not, should the people demand an international reputable police force to carry out an impartial investigation so that all guilty parties be punished according to the law, since the people cannot trust their own police to do a fair job.
We all know the police will not investigate any umnoputras or will cooked up charges against it’s enemies like DSAI or try to stop further investigation higher-up like the Altantuya’s murder. There are so many questions in Altantuya’s case still not answered and yet they said no other people were involved other than those being charged.
“If not, should the people demand an international reputable police force to carry out an impartial investigation so that all guilty parties be punished according to the law, since the people cannot trust their own police to do a fair job.”
This necessarily calls for the abrogation or surrender of our sovereignty to a foreign nation! We have sole jurisdiction over such matters. No can do. United Nations? That also no can do.
Private prosecution? Also no can do.
RPK we salute you!!!
Was very proud to be M’sian in my younger days. Always unshamely boasting how beautiful and blessed Malaysia is to all foreign friends. How has all these changed in such a short time. Am now really ashame to be one. Imagine how the world sees us M’sian and how these GOONS have tarnished the good name and image of the country!!!
How right the jingle for visit M’sia… “Malaysia Truly A.S.I.A.” (ASIA denotes:- Always Sin In Accordance (with UMNO policies) or Always Sin In Alliance (with UMNO and BN)
Am sure by now, we would be the laughing stock in the eyes of earthlings and which country in the world would dare to invest here if what the allegations above are true.
Uncle Lim, these are serious issues. What can be done? ( other then to change the government ASAP, can’t anyone higher up step in ) We want to live as proud M’sians again and in the shortest possible time and manner. We want our children and grandchildren to be proud M’sians just like when we were young.
What say you, loving, caring and peace loving CITIZENS of MALAYSIA, do we want to live in DISGRACE and have our beautiful country run by these JERKS?
elsewhere no report..
SILLY NOTHINGS
According to the STAR
The AG’s Chambers has filed a police report against Raja Petra over the statutory declaration. The AG said “We want to investigate it. If it’s true, we will act accordingly. If not, the writer will be investigated.”
Reading between the lines it looks like the writer is going to be investigated!
Anything new??
The AG is making himself stupid if that is what he said he is going to do. What has he been doing all this time – sleeping? You already have 3 confirmed suspects and their statements and you don’t have the balls to question them further. What is wrong with you – no balls?
YB, pse take every opportunity to highlight this SD in parliament today.
While on the concerns of PDRM inaction, I wonder if private investigators can fill in more details and indirectly speed up matters?
passerby Says:
Today at 05: 25.44 (53 minutes ago)
The AG is making himself stupid if that is what he said he is going to do. What has he been doing all this time – sleeping? What is wrong with you – no balls?”
Passerby,
The AG does not want to play ball.
this ag (and the syed egghead) is infamous for losing pedra banca amongst many other things like his credibility and integrity. People should demand his resignation for his incompetence and stupidity
Is there such a thing as “POLITICAL IMMUNITY” which would exempt these three VIP suspects from investigation? What if they were from the other camp instead? Now that Malaysian politics has been streamlined to a “two party” system, there is no such thing as the “opposition” in Malaysia.
BN may be the “ruling party” in some states but in states like Kedah, Penang, Perak, Selangor and Kelantan, BN has become the “opposition”. This makes the situation a balanced one and eliminating the term “opposition”. Therefore, it is time for BN to wake up and take steps in ensuring “equality” in treatment of MPs, VIPs, and what nots from the other camp! Times have changed and so has the tide!
ktteokt Says:
Today at 08: 00.11 (21 minutes ago)
Is there such a thing as “POLITICAL IMMUNITY” which would exempt these three VIP suspects from investigation? ”
Even the Agong and the Malay sultans do not enjoy immunity from criminal prosecution. How could the country’s Prime Minister and Cabinet members be immune from criminal prosecution? No one is.
BLAST FROM THE PAST:
The Attorney-General Tan Sri Gani Patail must come forward to give proper explanation to end the thousand-and-one questions swirling around the last-minute change of prosecution team in the high-profile Mongolian Altantunya Shaariibuu murder trial or Malaysia’s system of justice is in for another chapter of adverse publicity both nationally and internationally, ending up as the greatest casualty.
Gani should know that his explanation that the last-minute switch of prosecution was to enable “a fair trial” raises more questions than giving an answer.
It explains not only nothing, but implies that continuing with the original prosecution team of DPPs Salehuddin Saidin and Noorin Badaruddin could be against the interests of ensuring “a fair trial” and if so, clearly the Attorney-General must explain why, since it casts a serious reflection on the professionalism and integrity of Salehuddin and Noorin.
Furthermore, why if there has to be a switch of the prosecution team for whatever reasons, the change was not made earlier as the charges of murder against the three accused were first made in November 15 last year while the trial dates for 25 days starting on Monday was fixed by the Shah Alam High Court as far back as March 9, 2007.
Gani should explain whether the last-minute switch of the prosecution team was to strengthen the chances of securing convictions in the Altantunya Shaariibuu trial and if so, how.
Why was the whole prosecution team switched, instead of directing DPP Tun Abdul Majid Tun Hamzah to lead the prosecution team but still comprising Salehuddin and Noorin since they had been involved in the preparation of the trial right from the beginning?
Gani should be aware of the political implications of and the world-wide interests in the trial and should be wary of taking any steps which can only give wing to speculation of political interference in the conduct of the trial.
The Attorney-General cannot continue to keep silent as the reputation and international standing of the Malaysian system of justice, which is trying, not too successfully, to regain national and international confidence after two decades of relentless assault and erosion by the Executive, will otherwise be the greatest casualty.
– Lim Kit Siang
Why did the AG have to lodge a police report against RPK ? The police have already said that they will look into it (which is a different story), but why is there a need to tell the police that they must also investigate RPK ?
This is the AG that obtained a 3rd class honours degree (the next grade is an “F”). This is the AG that lost high profile cases like the Noritta Samsuddin and Koh Kim Teck cases. This is the AG that did all the dirty work for Mahathir, and then switched seamlessly to doing all the dirty work for Badawi. This is the AG that shouted “unconstitutional” at anything that moved regarding royalty, and then failed to back up his own convictions.
Fair investigation ? Nah. Short of RPK having a copy of the military intelligence report or a videoclip of the execution, nothing is going to be done.
“How could the country’s Prime Minister and Cabinet members be immune from criminal prosecution? No one is.” Undergrad2
You sure about this ?
I hope the mongolian lady was alive at the time when the C4 was attached. I hope her pleas and cries got to the ears of all those who were present. And the splattering scene, to their eyes. I hope the scene, her pleas and cries now ring in their minds and in their dreams – loudly and incessantly. And weigh down their hearts and soul. I hope. Yes that God would help the mongolian lady. For in this lovely country, only God has greater strength and power than UMNO and BN.
The Star report of 23rd June on “Cops top probe RPK’s claims” refers.
According to report:
1. Police to call on RPK to invetigate;
2. AG Chambers “has lodged a police report against RPK over the Statutory Declaration.
Nothing wrong with 1. something not quite right about 2 here. :)
The normal way would be for police to investigate allegations such as those made by RPK, submit findings of investigations to AG Chambers which will decide whether there is a basis to charge those implicated by allegations and investigated, a prosecutorial discretion that ought to be discharged – in public eyes – impartially.
As it happened before police investigations have commenced much less completed for AG chambers to make a determination, the latter have already jumped the gun and lodged police report against RPK on grounds that this allegations are highly defamatory.
This would be undermining its own future course of action when exercising prosecutorial discretion if it should turn out to be not to charge…
For the lay public would say, of course that would be an expected result since it has already prejudged the allegations as not having merits based on its act of lodging a police report against RPK even before police investigations have commenced much less completed to present to it the results of the investigations!
Aside from question of not charging those implicated in RPK’s allegations, even if it were to subsequently decide charging RPK later for criminal defamation, it would be open to question by public in respect of whether there is impartiality and objectivity when it has prior lodged a report against him before investigations of RPK’s claims. One can’t lodge a police report and charge and prosecute at the same time without questions like these raised.
AG should (constitutionally) be an impartial judge on the high benches above the fray below but it has unwittingly descended into the arena prematurely and got affected by the dust of conflict…
On the day Razak Baginda was formally charged November 16 for abetment of the Mongolian woman’s murder, the accused’s wife was reported to have exclaimed that her husband has been framed, and made an outburst in the court compound, that:
“He is a good man. He is not the Prime Minister of this country. He doesn’t want to be one.
“He is not interested in all that.”
What’s the riddle in bringing up the context of ‘Prime Minister? None of the Media that reported it has explained it.
Remember the British strategy during WWII when London suffered bombings from German’s V-rocket bombs? The media agreed with the government to complete news blackout to prevent the Germans from knowing the true extend of damages done by their V-rocket bombs.
Godfather,
Yes.
This is the AG that has the temerity to charge a bunch of Indians throwing stones at helmeted FRU personel with attempted murder. We have never had an impartial AG for 30 years, and there won’t be one unless this corrupt regime is overthrown.
Undergrad2:
So how could the previous PM “select” the judge for the Anwar trial, “select” the evidence, “select” the appeals court judge if he was not above the law ?
Wasn’t the judge for the Altantuya trial “selected”, and wasn’t the prosecutor also “selected” ? And what chances will it be that if there’s an appeal, the appeals court judge will also be “selected”?
The trial of Anwar Ibrahim is a stage-managed trial and the current Altantuya case trial has all the makings of one as well.
And why do you think that, after all the promises of judicial reform, the court of appeals President is still the individual nominated by UMNO ?
“Why did the AG have to lodge a police report against RPK ? The police have already said that they will look into it (which is a different story), but why is there a need to tell the police that they must also investigate RPK ?” Godfather
The police should be investigating the allegations made and not the party who makes those allegations – unless they are saying he could be one of the conspirators to the crime of murder! That is absurd. Even a nincompoop could tell you that that is not the way to proceed. If upon investigation they found the allegations were baseless, then they may want to investigate the party making those allegations to see if a crime has been committed, if there is enough evidence to charge him with the crime.
We know why they are interested in investigating the messenger than the message! By investigating the messenger and appearing to find the message false or baseless, it would be one way to exonerate those against whom the allegations were made.
“We have never had an impartial AG for 30 years…” Godfather
The duty of the AG is to prosecute. The police investigates the crime supposed to have been committed and identifies the party or parties. Once the investigation is completed, they pass the ‘bundle’ to the relevant section of the Attorney-General’s Chambers and in high profile cases, the AG would personally decide whether there is enough evidence to proceed. This is the stage of the process most susceptible to political interference.
There’s nothing new under the Sun!!!
People (including King and Queen in the world) killed one another bacause of many reasons, one of them is jealousy!!! When the jealousy flame is so high that people wanted to do it by themselves (still remember that one of our ex-ministers had done this before) or to see their “enemy” killed infront of their naked eyes in order to believe and to quence their anger!!!
“This is the AG that has the temerity to charge a bunch of Indians throwing stones at helmeted FRU personel with attempted murder.” Godfather
Clearly a case of prosecutorial misconduct and his license should be withdrawn. Those falsely accused should commence legal proceedings against the AG for prosecutorial misconduct and claim damages for false imprisonment among others and the anguish they have had to go through. It is unlikely to succeed though.
We have a case recently over here where the DA lost his license and made to pay damages to the victims of prosecutorial misconduct.. Over here the office of the DA is an elected one, and often times these prosecutors feel the need to show results or lose the election. The office of the AG in our case is not an elected one
Latest news from Parliament:
Sdr Lim Kit Siang has been given leave to adjourn the House under Standing Order 18 (1) to discuss Raja Petra Kamarudin’s SD that Najib Razak’s wife Rosmah Mansor and 2 others witnessed Mongolian model Altantuya Shaariibuu being blown up.
What is happening to our country? So many unprecedented things are now happening? What are likely to happen next? Who really is taking care of rakyat welfare now – high inflation, job uncertainties, food shortage etc. I hope smart lawyers and wannabes out there are able to provide some insights. Nincompoop really don’t know what to say anymore.
Latest news from Parliament:
Sdr Lim has been given leave to adjourn the House under Standing Order 18 (1) to discuss RPK’s SD that a vip and 2 others witnessed Mongolian model Altantuya Shaariibuu being blown up.
What is happening to our country? So many unprecedented things are now happening? What are likely to happen next? Who really is taking care of rakyat welfare now – high inflation, job uncertainties, food shortage etc. I hope smart lawyers and wannabes out there are able to provide some insights. Nincompoop really don’t know what to say anymore
is this AG also the leader for the Pulau Batu Putih case? in some east asia countries, he would hv resigned or be sacked
RPK must have sought and obtained legal advice before making those allegations. He is apparently staring at criminal defamation in the face!
Criminal defamation is provided for under S. 499 of the Penal Code. The penalty for offenders found liable for criminal defamation is a fine, imprisonment of up to two years, or both.
Latest news from Parliament – by LimKamPut: “Sdr Lim has been given leave to adjourn the House under Standing Order 18 (1) to discuss RPK’s SD that a vip and 2 others witnessed Mongolian model Altantuya Shaariibuu being blown up”.
Where do you get that – is it true?
If so, in extraordinary times, one should take the gamble, stand in face of and “piss” at the wind!
The key is the Speaker – where he stands, which is something worth the gamble. :)
I have this premonition that this “reliable” source is someone very close to one of the three accused. That person is someone who knows the details and the law. Probably this person and RPK had some sorts of written agreement hidden somewhere. This person must have briefed RPK before making the SD. I cannot magine RPK acting alone, though he is capable of doing that.
Just sit tight.
YB Kit leverage on this : (1) RPK sources are from disaffected BN quarters/trojan horses with hidden agenda of which you could tap to get the emergency motion on RPK’s SD heard – and may be even carried depending how motion is worded (2) counter action to enforce party “whip” to garner BN’s majority to stop the motion can be neutralised by arguments of conflicts of interest.
In the US the DA goes to jail:
On January 12, 2007, Michael Nifong asked to be taken off the case and on January 13, 2007, Attorney General Roy Cooper’s office took over. On April 12, 2007, the attorney general, in declaring Evans, Finnerty, and Seligmann innocent, also called Michael Nifong a “rogue prosecutor.”[83][84][85] Nifong was ordered disbarred on June 16, 2007 after the bar’s three-member disciplinary panel unanimously found him guilty of fraud, dishonesty, deceit or misrepresentation; of making false statements of material fact before a judge; of making false statements of material fact before bar investigators, and of lying about withholding exculpatory DNA evidence.[86][87]
On August 31, 2007, Nifong was convicted of criminal contempt for knowingly making false statements during the criminal proceedings. Superior Court Judge W. Osmond Smith III sentenced Nifong to a single day in jail.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Duke_University_lacrosse_team_scandal
Malaysiakini : “Veteran DAP leader and Ipoh Timur MP Lim Kit Siang submitted an emergency motion to the Speaker on blogger Raja Petra Raja Kamaruddin’s latest allegations concerning the Altantunya Shaariibuu murder”. [Full report to follow]. Keep your fingers crossed!
“Given leave” to submit the motion doesn’t mean that the motion will be accepted by the Speaker.
I don’t think I need to explain further the ordinary grammatical meaning of what Lim Kam Put said, which was “given leave (ie permission”) to adjourn the House under Standing Order 18 (1) to discuss RPK’s SD”.
And the “leave” was presumably given by the Speaker of Parliament!
my source: http://themalaysianinsider.com/
i think given leave means allowed to debate on. The motion must satisfy three conditions, urgency, specific and of public interest. But what happen after the debate, i am not too sure, anybody care to advise.
My worry is that LKS has been given leave to move the motion, which then has to be ruled upon for urgency or of public interest. It’s like giving everyone a peep in typical peep-show, only to have the curtains drawn tightly shut when the real action begins.
I understand, Godfather. But the language of themalaysianinsider.com has changed since the last time I checked. Originally it was as I have quoted. But now it is slightly different. I only change the specific name to “vip” in my original posting because the moderator did not allow that name. I think themalaysianinsider.com misreported. I agree with you, it is not so easy to get the speaker’s approval for the debate under 18(1). Please don’t quarrel with Jeffrey again ok.
No quarrel can be greater than my quarrel with BN. It’s just that I am not a lawyer, and I don’t understand what Standing Order 18(1) is all about.
To all dear Malaysian,
The Mongolian cases are not ordinary cases, as it involved C4 which only the minister of defence can dispense & highly trained soldiers knew how to implode it.
Seriously i don’t believe Najis has nothing to do with Atlantuya, who is the father of Atlantuya yet to be born child.
Scared the DNA test? horny najis.
Aha…a motion in Parliament to debate this…interesting, make sure it does not fizzle out like the JJ… GRO hugging affair!
in-human clans and for those has involves in the killing of Atlantuya you are worst then public toilet scuds. i hope najis ! don’t mind about that cos he is already classified as najis!
language of themalaysianinsider.com has changed ? It might have misreported about LKS being “given leave” (ie permission) to adjourn the House under Standing Order 18 (1) to discuss RPK’s SD”.
From what I read from LKS latest thread, he has not yet being given leave but has merely served notice for an adjournment of Parliament under S.O. 18 (1) to tomorrow, so Godfather may be right that tomorrow only the Speaker would still have to rule on whether the mater raised is a fit and proper subject for parliamentary debate based on criteria of “urgency, specific and of public interest”.
It depends on the Speaker – he is the key – but assuming he rules against LKS’s motion, the question after is whether the rightness or error of his ruling may also be contested and put to a vote that will test the majority principle in lieu of using Sharir’s motion on govt’s measures to ameliorate the price hike.
In any case, besides the advantage of testing majority (if that could be done), LKS’s bringing it up in Parliament in presence of media/public observers would hopefully raise public profile of RPK’s allegations that our Mainstream Media has mostly – and cowardly -not done their professional duty of reporting importanty news.
Godfather Says:
Today at 13: 25.48 (4 hours ago)
“Given leave” to submit the motion doesn’t mean that the motion will be accepted by the Speaker.”
That’s right.
For example, “leave” to appeal is not the appeal itself. It is just permission by the trial judge to make the appeal. If the grounds for an appeal are not satisfied, leave would not be granted.
In the Parliamentary setting, leave has to be applied for and granted by the Speaker of the House.
Uncle Lim,
I know you can do it.
Save Malaysia!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IIBhGGJFs4
Dear REaders,
There is a reminder aptly written in Quran in dealing with news. The Quran says “….And when you receive news from “orang-orang fasik”, do investigate so that you do not commit injustices to others….
So, simply believing the accusation by Raja Petra just out of hatred to Najib is wrong.
Well, their silence says it all.
Their silence is deafening.
Just ensure that it does not fizzle out..strike the iron while its hot! Good Luck!
Possible conclusion after investigation,
a) RPK was of unsound mind or drunk or under threat while making declaration.
b) Persuruhjaya Sumpah was also of unsound mind or drunk or under threat or was bribed when she witnessed the declaration.
Both of them had been cautioned. The declaration is null and void. Case closed, No more wasting of public fund and time for unnecessary investigation. All Persuruhjaya Sumpah are cautioned not to witness any declaration from any unsound mind or drunk person.
RPK is providing bloggers with really nice neat fuel to burn the web.
So burn on fellas.
Burn on.
And keep it going.
Pretenders may leave if they find the heat too over-bearing.
And. Notice is not necessary. Just vanish.