10/21/2009 11:57 AM
inquest adjourned till 2pm
10/21/2009 11:37 AM
Coroner taking over questioning of Porntip after Selangor govt counsel Malik Imtiaz
10/21/2009 11:26 AM
In Porntip’s opinion cause of TBH death is 20 percent suicide 80 percent homicide
10/21/2009 11:22 AM
TeohBengHock inquest Thai Porntip expert testimony TBH injury compatible with manual strangulation TBH landed on his feet while unconscious
Provide full protection for Thai pathologist Dr Pornthip Rojanasunand, not by the police. Selangor State Government must engage private security to protect her at all time. Our police cannot be trusted and they will take orders from the top to finish her off, just like Altantuya, if there are any evidence that links TBH’s death to the macc.
Malaysia For All
GE 13 – Change The Federal Government No matter what, we must ensure that racist umno bn do not regain the power like they had for over the past fifty one years.
1. Change the whole system of governing.
2. Change the name to ‘UNITED STATES OF SARAWAK”
3. The PM must be from Sarawak
sweat!!! he want you to die at 12pm n you cannot escape 1230pm… what can we said? only can pray for TBH, and request to revenge himself…
Any moment now, and the mamak king will come out and claim tbh’s throat and anal wounds had been self-inflicted, the same way as anwar’s black eye.
“TBH landed on his feet while unconscious” (Porntip)
It was very unlikely that an unconscious person woulc commit suicide! Therefore, the possibility of committing suicide should be ruled out by now!
Ever since the inquiry started I hv been visiting sites with clips showing people jumping off great heights. My my. Believe me. There are loads of crazy people out there. There is one particular guy who was mad enough to jump of a three strorey building. He must be a stuntman by calling for he was able to roll nicely on the ground to soften the impact. I discovered one interesting point. If the falling person is enjoying the fall (I take this to mean he is not exactly scared) he has his body and legs all stretched out straight. Otherwise he would be screaming away and his legs would be retracted and held closer to his body. Very much like what beng hock appears to me to have done.
macc will then claim that tbh had been sleep-walking, then sleep-climbing out of the window and finally sleep-jumping from the 14th floor before finally sleep-landing and sleep-dying as a result of his sleep-activities. Possibly also sleep-peeing in the toilet before that. So it is all due to sleep-killing and macc is not involved.
… and sleep-quarrelling with someone in the toilet.
No. No. No. He was asleep all the while and woke up only for the brief moment when he had the quarrel. Of course, after that he went back to his sleep-mode.
MACC will deny all forensic findings,now go tell the world that TBH is facing financial difficulty,has many girlfriends,suddenly changes his mind in marrying his fiance.Then decided the best way is to jump off the building.Even my 6 year old kid will not believe it!MACC you are a big liar.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Porntip found that Beng Hock’s anus had been inserted with some hard object.
When I was detained under the ISA during the quarrel between Anwar and Dr Mahathir, the police instructed me to take off all my clothes in order for them to observe my buttock for about 15 minutes. Those maniac law enforcement officers perhaps were keen to try practicing sodomy on someone so that they would take chance to torture whoever had been detained by them.
Will macc claim that Porntip is involved in porn as her name implies, and hence all her testimonies are null and void? See, Viagra Chua was also involved in porn and hence his election as mca Deputy President was declared null and void in the recent egm.
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Its only the ‘tip’ of the iceberg.
Maybe MACC will now say it organised a stag party for the deceased as it was the night before his big day, and it went horribly wrong a la David Carradine.
This case is just getting more and more bizarre. Possible strangulation now. And maybe an ‘up’ job too. What next? Moon walking while asleep?
due to overwhelming response, my queue number is 2145 to plaza masalam. i just checked my account balance. it is RM1657.12.
macc says come back in 3 days to commit suicide.
Your appointment is fixed for 6pm till 4am, October 31. Don’t bring any witnesses. Wear torn pants and loose shoes. And don’t plan to get married the next day. p/s. Make sure you are ‘poor’ too. See you soon.
The Conditions below must be strictly observed:-
Permission to sleep over approved by our director.
Must be staying with a girl and her family and not with your fiancee.
Be prepared to sleepwalk out of our windows.
Wear a tight belt for your own good.
Happy landing from the 14th floor. Cheerio!
Question: Why is the macc only investigating kacang cases involving RM2,000 and not BIG cases as the RM24,000,000 Toyol Palace?
Answer: They follow what the USA do. The Americans only dare invade kacang countries such as Afghanistan and Iraq, but steer clear out of big powers such as Russia and China.
///MACC will deny all forensic findings,now go tell the world that TBH is facing financial!…MACC you are a big liar. ///rahmanwang
This is the product of prolong NEP. Macc findings are all based on hallucinations. Probably they were all high on ganja when they conducted the interview.
///Question: Why is the macc only investigating kacang cases involving RM2,000 and not BIG cases as the RM24,000,000 Toyol Palace?/// k1980
Answer: Macc cannot count anything beyond 2000. If more than that, you have to put it in terms of cows and goats.
24,000,000 = 2000 lembu + 1900 biri-biri + 1800 kerbau.
I guarantee you toyol will be arrested and freed overnight.
Toyo-the-indon will never be arrested. Common on, pls. He will be invited by the macc for a chat. Habana cigars, tea, cakes and biscuits will be served. And needless to say, toyo-the-indon would have the complete liberty of having his legs up on the table.
Dr Pornthip’s conclusion (that there is an 80 percent probability that Teoh’s death was homicide and 20 percent chance of it being suicide) has vast implications if one believes her that it was probably homicide!
She said TBH suffered several injuries before the fall : ‘manual strangulation’ penetration in the anal region, an abrasion on the thigh….
This showed 3rd degree torture methods.
It suggests the possibility that he was ‘tortured’ for purposes of extracting certain confession.
This could lead to 2 consequences: either after such torture, (1) he still wouldn’t cooperate/confess or (2) he would.
Penetration in the anal region, an abrasion on the thigh could be attributed to torture methods to extract confession….but how does one explain strangle bruises on the neck (ie manual strangulation) to kill him??? Even in the case of (1) (ie refusal to cooperate”) there’s no reason for his torturers to deliberately kill him by strangulation!
The key question is why strangle him to death and who has motive and stand to benefit from doing so?
2 possibilities may be speculated (a) strangulation was part of “torture”, he succumbed to it, his torturers panicked and threw him out of the window to exonerate the “accidental” killing OR (b) assuming that (2) above holds (ie. he would, due to torture, agree cooperate and confess, then some “outside” party whom he implicated in the confession would have the motive to extinguish his life so that he would not be a ‘live witness’.
That party will not be the authorities. Dead, he is of no use to authorities because he could not be a witness and confirm contents of his “confession” in the witness box. Which will defeat the whole purpose of extracting confession from him, even if by torture methods, in the first place, to implicate PR assemblymen in corruption charges.
It also suggests, if indeed an outsider was involved, that some renegade within MACC building let the outsider in to do the job without official knowledge….
Either of the theories (a) or (b), authorities will carry heavy onus to shrug off responsibility as death occurred within their precincts, and insufficient protection was accorded to TBH.
If one believes that (a) was the case (accidental killing during interrogation), one must believe that “strangulation” is usual part of 3rd degree torture methods. If so its the first I hear of it. The other thing is, if it were accidental death due to torture methods, then time of death should be during or at end of interrogation ie 3.30 am (when the accident happened). If one believes that interrogation ended at about 3.30 am in the morning how does it explain deceased was seen hanging around the pantry at 6 am with death estimated at after 8 in the morning? Why did he hang around MACC after interrogation ended? (Speculation again) could he be he was waiting for some report/confession to be prepared for his signature before he would be released, consistent with theory (b)?
If for any reason (b) were the case, then the implications will spread wider than MACC. For it will be asked who is the “outsider” and how could TBH be in the position to implicate by confession the outsider?
This is … Dog Eyes See People Low
I have expected the findings by the Thai Dr. She is one great lady who acted without fear and favor. Real sad case our Bolehland does not have the expertise or investigators who have no balls and integrity and have to get opinion from Thailand. What a disgrace and shame to those so called local experts involved in this case.
Now the findings are out, I am damn sure the government, MACC, PDRM, judges, holier than thou religious bums etc..will come out to discredit her at all cost. She MUST BE given protection irrespective.
I admire her for what she have done so far.
Justice for Teoh and his love ones.
It’s the season that outdoes ‘Ripley’s Believe It Or Not’
It’s the season that shows how some gomen people made easy ludicrous money
‘Cos it’s the time to read Auditor-General’s Report
Year in, year out we read abt how gomen ppl paid monstrous sum for cheapo things
Yet, MACC no action 1
No gomen ppl got punished 1
Jiak jiak jiak, like Isa, got rewarded, became YB 1
I hope that Dr Porntip’s testimony will bring some vindication of what the Teo family and his wife have known all along about Teo, that he has no reason to commit suicide. However, no matter how guilty MACC is, we all know that they will get away scott free with the blessings of UMNO and the corrupted judiciary as in the many cases before this e.g. Altantuya, Kugan. We can only hope for God’s justice to fall upon those in UMNO and MACC who were responsible for this heinous crime on Teo, and the grief they have brought upon his family and wife. Dr Porntip’s testimony is also a shining example of Malaysia’s growing lack of competence in advanced skills and technology as a result of years of abuse of our education system and policies by UMNO.
Strangulation marks round the neck and violated anus. Well well well. Boys. These are new and hot. An offshoot of the main issue, it is. In the process of determing the cause of his death, torture (of the extremely inhumane kind) was uncovered.
by Jeffrey on Wednesday, 21 October 2009 – 5:11 pm
“The key question is why strangle him to death and who has motive and stand to benefit from doing so?”
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I don’t think they strangled him to death but they repeatedly strangled him to NEAR death to try to force a confession.
The final torture deemed beyond bodily repair was the penetration of a large object into TBH’s anus that they had to finsih him off by throwing him out of the window to fake a suicide.
These MACC officers are nothing but barbaric wild beasts not fit for such an honorable job to fight corruption. MACC should be suspended as it does not have the trust of people!!!!!!!!!
Mr.Teoh Beng Hock commands our absolute repects for standing up for righteouness & stand he did against evil brutes even till death. He is undoubtly a rare Malaysian HERO. I salute him!
Dr Porntip Rojanasunand just exposed the tip of a cover-up iceberg
She made her assessment based only on autopsy reports of our local experts, the photographs of TBH’s injuries, and from snapshots taken at the site where his body was found
Pity Dr Porntip was not allowed to carry out an autopsy on TBH
What did her stunning testimony say about our local experts: Dr Khairul Aznam Ibrahim and Dr Prashant Naresh Samberkar?
Did the two experts not see what Dr Porntip saw?
Did the two experts choose not to see what Dr Porntip saw?
Who is professionally competent n who is not?
If our expert forensic pathologists were totally incompetent, what’s the legal implications on all previous cases assessed by them?
Can reopen all previous cases ah?
If our expert forensic pathologists were totally incompetent, what did they teach our medical students n interns?
Need to send our local experts to undergo reeducation by Dr Porntip or not ah?
Non stop professional opinions…pointing foul platy is so clear….but if you trace all records that are against the government or against their chosen ones…protecting a large group of people with one fall guy…maybe applied again.
Look at the murder case of the Mongolian..and tell me…you agree that policeman C4ed her…for his own pleasure.
If we suspect that case is a big cover up…Teoh’s death will have same results.
After all….what have not seen.
Under oath…Mahathir can lie 14 times in 30 minutes…now the hero of UMNO again…do you all really expect UMNO will be fair to Teoh’s family?
To do that…so many MACC heads will roll.
What about police force?
Teoh means nothing to UMNO….but is forced to look serious…for so many votes depend on UMNO fairness. It is a side show…that have no end.
Dr. Porntip must have told herself that it was a 100% homicide, but she allowed others to speculate.
It was the first evening TBH was asked to appear before MACC as witness. How would outsiders know that TBH needed to be silenced? The whole episode was conducted by MACC, and since TBH had nothing to hide, he was confident not to bow to pressure. MACC officers think all along that they were God besides UMNO, and they would not accept any resistance. The pressure built up to the point that they got so enraged that they decided to kill TBH. They knew that perfect crimes are only possible without transparency. The government apparatus can find no wrong with UMNO-led government agencies. Remember Kugan, and in this case, the high 14-floor provided an excellent way to create doubts and hide their crime. Falling from high ground can be easily blamed for suicide, since Anwar was said to have inflicted himself to show black eyes to the world. Surprisingly, the inquest had been on for sometime, and Malaysian experts’ opinion was towards suicide. The experts in Malaysia could not even determine whether it was the leg or the head that landed first. They did not even mention that hard object was used in place of sodomy, and that happened while TBH was in custody.
It was a big cover up, and MACC officials knew that they have total protection. It was bully and it did not proceed in stages. There was no panic, and suicide had all along been the way to explain away custody-death.
The inquest will soon declare that Dr. Porntip has no Malaysian qualifications and so her opinion is well just an opinion.
Umno n MACC will move to remove Dr Porntip Rojanasunand as a reliable n independent expert
Because she is an agent of Pakatan Rakyat (PR)
It’s so obvious, her initial is PR
//How would outsiders know that TBH needed to be silenced?// – Loh
Just need someone in the inside in complicity with the outside to make a phone call to the outside of what TBH was going to sign and who’s going to implicate, and then later open the door from one of the lesser used entrances (not monitored by CCTV) for outsider to come in!
What did her stunning testimony say about our local experts: Dr Khairul Aznam Ibrahim and Dr Prashant Naresh Samberkar?
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Three things in my mind!
1) Either their degree and qualification are
phony.
2) Either they are blinded by money to tell lies.
3) Either they are intimidate by someone and force to lie.
“If one believes that interrogation ended at about 3.30 am in the morning how does it explain deceased was seen hanging around the pantry at 6 am with death estimated at after 8 in the morning? Why did he hang around MACC after interrogation ended?” (Jeffrey)
Jeffrey,
With Beng Hock’s car key, room keys, wallet, note book computer being kept by the MACC and the IO who was given the power to take Beng Hock under custody and who was also given the power to release Beng Hock (if so instructed by his immediate superior), it was too easy to understand that why Beng Hock still had to hang around in the MACC office while the IO was still sleeping at home between 3:00 am and 8:00 am before his death.
Sai fool’s @shole no sign of anal penetration
But case considered sodomee
Porntip said TBH sustained anal penetration
But case so far local forensic pathologists ignored this fact
Strange, strange, got poke or not
“The key question is why strangle him to death and who has motive and stand to benefit from doing so?” (Jeffrey)
Jeffrey,
Don’t you know that racist prejudice might be an adequate motive and the agony and the ecstasy and high experience a maniac could get from strangling someone whom the maniac hated would be the benefits from doing so?
For a maniac who suffered from long term sexual depression because of frequent despise by his wife due to his suffering from sexual impotence, strangling a youthful man to death due to jealousy of a young man’s sexual potential might also give the maniac some kinds of sensual pleasure of the agony and the ecstasy.
Onlooker Politics, perhaps they kept “Beng Hock’s car key, room keys, wallet, note book computer” until he had signed some documents in process of being compiled. I agree this is speculation. I wouldn’t go that far as to speculate about “racist prejudice might be an adequate motive and the agony and the ecstasy and high experience a sexual maniac suffering from sexual impotence, strangling a youthful man to death…”
being kept by the MACC
Jeffrey,
My speculation is based on my previous personal experience with the Police Custody under the ISA.
I was also put under the police custody as an eyewitness at the initial stage because the Police suspected that I could help them to identify certain big fishes during the interrogation. However, even when I was detained as an eyewitness, all my movable personal belongings had to be surrendered to the officer who was in charge of the Police Lockup or who was in charge of the ISA detention camp.
Since there was still no confirmation on whether to detain Beng Hock for more than 24 hours, the IO would be the officer who had the power to decide whether to release Beng Hock or not. When the officer who was in charge of taking care of Beng Hock’s personal belongings was still absent during his rest hours, Beng Hock certainly had to wait for this officer before he could take back all his personal belongings. This is just a common sense which most ex detainees could confirm about the accuracy of the detaining procedure!
Wow, MACC got agent provocateur to film people having sex, 007 style
Steamy video available, showing naked former Perak Tengah district councillor Zul Hassan and businessman Fairul Azrim Ismail engaging in sex with prostitutes from China
Boleh challenge MCA punya CSL ah?
How many naked BN politicians engaging in sexual acts had been filmed by MACC?
I bet our local pathologist had a knife to their neck and therefore were not allowed to comment on their findings professionally. why would a commoner risk his life and his family in malaysia?
Onlooker Politics, you said, “when the officer who was in charge of taking care of Beng Hock’s personal belongings was still absent during his rest hours, Beng Hock certainly had to wait for this officer before he could take back all his personal belongings.”
So in other words interrogation was over (at 3.30 am) and he was there waiting for hours for his belongings, and then to be released.
As I said if, assuming it was accidental death from torture, time of death should be during interrogation. Why would any one in rank and file of MACC deliberately want to strangle him hours after interrogation ended – whilst he was waiting for return of his possessions – at after 8 am in morning (estimated time of death from forensics) when he could be an important witness to implicate DAP assemblymen for corruption or, taking the other view, he being an aide to a opposition politician, and a homicide on him will surely cause a big hullabaloo and demands for investigation? Which officer in MACC would want to do a thing like that and for what reason or purpose serving either MACC or powers-that-be’s interest? Can you figure it out other speculate that the perpetrator was a sex maniac? This puzzles me.
TBH was sodomised before his death. Gosh how disgusting and atrocious are these so called malaysian personels. And this is supposedly a religious country. Hypcrites!
Future murderors please take note. According to that MACC fella, body found outside the building is none-of0-their-blardy-business. So please dispose body outside the victims house, and you’ll hv no ties to the murder and wld not be convicted.
Dr. Pornthip is safer in her country. At least there are no recorded cases there involving C4 used on their civilians and tourists, especially from Mongolia.
It’s getting too hot. I bet you they will block Dr Pornthip’s entry into Malaysia.
Jeffrey.. well what i can said is the MACC can torture the suspect at any time n any where. why you so starburn in this issue? to be honest.. everyone in this country knew n got eyes to see. try go to wet market near by you.. even the 70s old uncle n auntie know of it. so dont try to magic away the fact. the What did her stunning testimony say about our local experts:….
Poor Dr. Pornthip … I think she is packing now, on the way back to BKK, the PDRM sure give pressure on her.. or the IMM will black her Passport stop her to enter Malaysia again. sweat hope she can safety landed or step in to her home country…
Now, this is professionalism at work. Someone believable. Alas, after 50 years of independence, we can hardly find the same sort of professionalism and dedication in BOLEHLAND. Looks like all people in authority are in cohort to deny justice – cannot be trusted to do a good and honest job! Just to put it simple, what a shame!
That would only be plausible if TBH was giving evidence on a case the scale of PKFZ, and the ‘insiders’ are on theregular payroll. How much can RM 2,400 buy? That amount can’t even move somebody to carry out street fight, let alone commit a murder. it takes mondy to kill, and RM 2,400 is far too little.
D Pornthip’s expert opinion gives credence to what we had secretly feared in our hearts. Whilst the expert had cautioned that it is only an 80:20 possibility that TBH’s death was a homicide, the public sort of know that it is 120% certain. Kugan’s case, and perhaps scores of others, buttresses and cements our fears in tombstones left unspoken and unvisited.
Dr PORNTHIP NOW NEEDS POLICE PROTECTION – Thai police, I mean. One Mongolian came and our immigration records show she disappeared from the radar and then got c-4-ed in our belukar jungle. One Mongolian is bad enuf; we don’t want to add other nationalities to our infamy. So Dr. Pornthip, trhanks & godspeed. Please finish the exhumation and autopsy before returning to BKK.
Thanks again. TBH won’t RIP till this case is settled.
It is more likely that TBH’s interrogators did not intend to strangle him to death. They did it to terrify him into submission and then cooperate with them to fabricate a story to frame-up certain PR leader/leaders for corruption offences. They tried all forms of torture on TBH and seeing that they could not break TBH’s resolve, they dragged a half-dead Teoh threatening to throw him down the building.
The unfortunate death of Teoh Beng Hock is an accompaniment of somebody’s instruction to the MACC to initiate the investigation of Pakatan assembly persons and to extract a confession so that a number of Selangor Pakatan assembly persons would be arrested, threatened and made to horsetrade their freedom similar to what was done to the 2 Perak assemblymen.
MACC was given a tight schedule to complete this job before the return of Najib from overseas. This would be a present for him to savour the downfall of the Selangor state government.
MACC job was made easier by two Pakatan members, i.e. Wee Choo Keong and Azmin Ali who made the allegations that certain Pakatan assembly persons were involved in underground criminal activities. Immediately, the AG gave the instruction for the Selangor state government to be investigated without even waiting for a police report to be lodged by Wee Choo Keong and Azmin Ali.
The MACC immediately sprang into action under the direction of the MACC in Putrajaya. One of the unfortunate persons to be investigated was Teoh Beng Hock who was tortured in order to get a confession. … And the rest is history…
i hope pornthip will give us the conclusive report with the reexamination of TBH’s exhumed body and once and for all this will deal an ultimate blow to the BN governement and this i hope will open the eyes of the supporters regarding the other cases such as kugan, altantuya and etc.
Most Malaysian now became more angrier and more determined to see justice done with this MACC blatant lies….this idiot are trying to label this murder as suicide……
Now, is the glass 80% full or 20% empty?
I betcha they will now go for the 20%. They are thinking up some “plausible” reasons.
Exhume the body. Go for it!!!!!
i hope that the altantuya case is not closed just because those 2 cops are given the death penalty. they still need to find the person who ordered the killing!
Somebody just phoned me with a view that Pornthip said there is a 20% chance Teo committed suicide.
20% is still 20%. What are the possible reasons that there is still this 20% chance of a suicide?
Why not 5%, 10% or even 0% ? Not enough evidence? Exhume the body. Talk to the other pathologists, review the evidence further etc.
Re-examine all the witnesses if need be.
So what’s all the nonsense about psychiatric tests, bank accounts etc etc? Are these just red herrings to lead everybody astray?
What about the 80% homicide?
In court….8 jury says MACC is the killer and 2 says no….what is the final judgment?
But UMNO ever fair minded crooks will surely interpret that as not 100% conclusive…Pornthip conclusion…tak boleh pakai.
Dr Porntip purposely left out the 20% possibility so that macc, the govt, police, so- called experts, doctors will make a fool of themselves thru silly theories and hallucinations.
So there you go fellow malaysians, prepare yourselves for some comedies and wayang gambar mollywood. You will sure get entertain by 50 years of NEP-produced mediocre @rses.
Possibility:
Teoh was already dead from head injuries while under interrogation.
But how to explain his death in MACC Office?
Well, do a clean up of his body and clothing and throw him out of the window to create the impression that he committed suicide!!!
If those [deleted] can do these despicable acts to a witness, i don’t want to imagine what they would do to those considered as suspects.
[deleted]
Will we see Porntip again dispensing her wisdom in our court or not
We’ll have to wait with bated breath to see ‘Next change’
Meanwhile MMK must be pleased with the 1M’sia NR
Who announced 16 Sep as a national holiday
MM Lee’s DOB is 16 Sep 1923
What a celebration on 16 Sep in M’sia n the little red dot!
From The Straits Times (Tue, 20 Oct 2009)
“But Malaysia’s neighbours, who have been alarmed at the lurch towards incendiary racist baiting in political, religious and civil liberties disputes, have one wish: that a national prosperity consensus be built to do justice to Malaysia’s potential so that the country can contribute its weight to the Asean region’s often disrupted growth.”
Interesting perception of M’sia by its neighbours
80% is homicide and 20 % is trying to cover up! That’s why they have not look for any suspect in this cold-blooded murder.
Let publish the photos of all those macc officers involved in this investigation so that that the public may boycott them. The public must treat them as criminals and must let them feel the anger of the people.
a man once said in Nazi Germany.
When they came for the Jews, I said nothing because I am not a Jew.
When they came for the Gypsies, I did nothing because I am not a Gypsy.
When they came for me, there is nobody left to hear my cries.
What will or can we do to end this tyranny? It is not just giving our votes to the opposition but what else? We need to ponder before dying in our beds many years from now with regrets.
Exhume the body. Go for it!!!!!
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What I fear most is that Teoh’s body might go “missing”.
Steps should be taken to keep an eye on his burial site as I do believe that these, so called “murderer”, might attempt to prevent more evidence from popping up.
Anything can happen in Bolehland!!!
And the verdict: macc is goodly guilty. Err well guilty in a good way. No, committed err sort of the good type of wrong. I mean not the guilty type of guilt. Not “guilty-guilty”. But more of “not-guity” guilty. Since they are not “guilty-guilty” but merely “not-guilty” guilty therefore they are almost like not guilty.
… Umno’s grand logic at work
Pornthip testified that the tear in Teoh’s anus, which measured 6 cm wide and 2cm long, appeared to have been caused by an object inserted forcefully into him.
Pornthip also testified that several stripes on Teoh’s upper thighs just below the buttocks were inconsistent with injuries caused by a fall. The lines, she suggested, could have been the result of a beating with a stick. She also pointed out several bruises on Teoh’s neck, which could have meant he had been strangled. Teoh’s skull fracture, she was quoted as saying, was not typical of an injury from a fall, but more compatible with the result of blunt force applied directly to the skull.
Teoh, she testified, was apparently alive but unconscious when he hit the roof, judging from the lack of reaction wounds on his arms and legs that would have shown he instinctively tried to soften his fall at the last second, as victims are likely to do.
http://www.asiasentinel.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2111&Itemid=178
Who in their right mind would pay RM42,320 for a laptop?
MACC to see if there are elements of corruption, misconduct and abuse of power in the management of public funds
Don’t be surprised, after investigation
MACC to announce, no problemo, RM42,320 for a laptop, cheap, cheap
Year in, year out, similar monstrous payments
Money only lah, no dead bodies in premises, OK
Supposing PR Selangor or Kedah state assemblymen were to purchase laptops costing RM42,320 each using state funds , they would had been sacked by the Sultan and umno installed as the new state govt, all within 24 hours. This is the meaning of 1malaysia— 1 for BN and 0 for PR
PAC year after year reports on all sorts of abuses and wastages and corrupt practices by the umno gobermen. And you wot? They could not be bothered. Not one little bit. Ask cintanegara: is it right to supply photocopied book to the umno gobermen at the price of RM3000 each? This is sickening. Then again that was umno’s design. To sicken everyone with the same thing over and over again. Hopefully (they believed) people would sooner or later become numb to all such issues. Look at the mammouth 12.5b scandal in pkfz now in the news. Against this scandal other lesser scandals would seem less wrong or in any event, not so bad. In fact paying 42,000 for a laptop seems acceptable and proper in comparison to the 12.5b hole in port klang. Hence, umno’s good guilt and bad guilt argument. The whole thing is part of the same work guys.
What is so surprising about the reality of TBH death when they can ignore Lingam Tape? The proof is out in public and they think they can fool the public with terms like ‘insufficient evidence’ and close the case.
Insufficient evidence? Insufficient morals and balls is more like it from the Najib downwards.
I strongly recommend Dr Porntip for 24 private protection. I guaranty the darkness force will near her or do something bad to her. if can ask the local reporter escort her 24hrs so can monitor her safety. if something is wrong, police wont help but the reporter can help by media.. KS pls you better do something b4 they take action…
So what’s all the nonsense about psychiatric tests, bank accounts etc etc? Are these just red herrings to lead everybody astray? – Sheriff Singh
You’re right!
In fact all those nonsence are not necessary at!
We all know how this case will end!
The case against Lingam in connection with the alleged brokering of judges, which was featured in a video clip, has been closed with no further action
Surprise, or no surprise, there is no abuse of power
The Attorney-General has decided that no further action is needed
Justice ala M’sian-style done
Very soon, for TBH’s case, also no abuse of power 1
Oredi Tan Hock Chuan suggested Porntip did not have the locus standi to arrive at her opinion
Tan asked: U no conduct the post mortem or inspect the body or go to the scene of the incident and u r not furnished with all the reports and photos, is it appropriate to form an opinion on mathematical terms that suicide is 20% and homicide 80%
Non-expert questioned experienced expert how to do her job
i am very doubtful about TBH’s case because in today’s newspaper, the LINGAM case is closed whereby mr.lingam gets away scotts free and so does mahathir and everyone involved.
so good luck for TBH then.
What happened to TBH is sheer political persecution.Just reported Tian Chua is found guilty of biting a policeman.The policeman is attached to the narcotic department but was sent to the parliament.Any drugs at the parliament?This is a clear cut case of framing PR politician.The punishment for Tian Chua is to strip him of his parliament seat.What BN is doing is making Malaysian puke.
Malaysian politics have put hollywood to shame from horror,gore,swindleling, backstabbing, hoarding, scandals, murdering, mutilating, bribing, adultering, and fiinally praying. LOL
by rabbit on Thursday, 22 October 2009 – 11:14 am
I strongly recommend Dr Porntip for 24 private protection. I guaranty the darkness force will near her or do something bad to her. if can ask the local reporter escort her 24hrs so can monitor her safety
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Need not worry about Porntip safety!
Porntip is much more different from the rest.
Mongolia is weak but Thailand is much more powerful.
Anything goes wrong with her, I’m sure the thais were sent in their whole bunch of armies here.
Kuuuuuuuuuuugaaaaaaaaaan !!!!
Justice for KUUUUUUUUGGGGAAAAN.
Pornthip, look into this case, pleeeeeeeze?
justice for altantuya as well! extradite razak baginda and get him to confess the truth!!!!!
All Dr Pornthip needs to confirm is that TBH’s case is a homicide.
We may never find the murderer. I think MACC is finished whether the murderer is found or not. The verdict would have been made by the PUBLIC after Pornthip’s testimony. The rest the MALAYSIAN PUBLIC knows too weell. If a DPM can get walloped and left almost dead, then all the Kugaans and TBHs are nothing. Or as Shakespeare would have put it in Much Ado about Nothing in response to the question: “How many gentlemen have been killed in in this battle”: Only a few odinary soldiers, and none of rank and distinction.
In UMNO’s Malaysia, ordinary citizens are dispensable; fit for the rubble and heaps. So, sensible malaysians must vote BN out! OUT! OUT! OUT!
The exhumation and another autopsy may cost money which Teoh’s family may not have.
If this is the case, a fund should be set up to cover the costs.
Perhaps the Selangor State government which engaged Dr Pornthip could foot the bill or start the ball rolling.
Let us get to the bottom of this. Money should not be in the way. Justice for Teoh Beng Hock. Convince the family to go all the way to find out WHY? Bring the culprits to justice.
DAP, where are you?
Another “buy” election in Batu.
This is all I can say about the systems here:
Judicial – phoootuuiiiiiiii!
Police – phootuiiiiiiiiiiiiii!
Macc – haarrrrrkk phootuii! phoootuiii!!!
Govt – poooot!poooot! phhhoootuuuiiii!!!
///I am very doubtful about TBH’s case because in today’s newspaper, the LINGAM case is closed/// – #26 by tenaciousB on Thursday, 22 October 2009.
If you’re looking for the truth of who killed TBH, the foregone conclusion is that 99.999% it will never be known.
The inquest, which is to find out ‘whodunnit’, has to proceed on facts investigated by police. However the police have not investigated it with open mind that it could be suicide or homicide. Instead according to 9th witness Government DNA expert Dr Seah Lay Hong, instructions from police investigators did not include the possibility of Teoh Beng Hock being murdered and that angle had not been specifically considered in her analyses operating within the framework of “suicide” only. Govt forensic psychiatrist Dr Prashant Samberkar postulated suicide theory but conceded under cross examination that it was important to know the psychological state of the deceased to determine suicide (which he didn’t know). Now suddenly to fill in the psychiatric angle, they’re calling in Hiew Kim Boon, Kajang municipal councillor Tan Boon Wah and DAP MP Teresa Kok’s assistant Mandy Hui to be interviewed by psychiatrists in order to determine the state of mind of Teoh Beng Hock prior to his death.
The suicide theory also reposes on TBH’s climbing on the ledge and jumping off but there’s no forensic evidence of his finger prints on the dusty window or ledge to show that he climbed it. The fact that TBH’s belt had irregular tear in his belt (consistent with someone holding on to it to fling him out of the window) and DNA profiles of at least two unidentified men in TBH’s jacket and trousers also contradict the suicide theory. And now a callous investigation into TBH’s finances – just to show that financial pressure in meeting weding costs could drive him to suicide – show that investigation has, right from beginning being skewed to prove suicide than to ascertain the unvarnished truth of how and whodunnit! So what chance is there that the Inquest could ascertain the truth when it only has from the forensic investigations of govt forensic experts selective facts to buttress the theory of suicide presented in evidence before it by people whose livelihood depend on being in good books of the powers-that-be?
Selangor state govt gets a neutral Thai Forensic expert (Dr Pornthip) to give her findings of 80% homicide possibility. NST already put her on first page under byline “Bombshell in Court”.
I don’t know “bomshell” is a reference to her testimony of 80% homicide or her wearing a tight top, long black skirt and boots, and sporting funky red and light brown streaks in her hair to the Inquest!
The govt’s acceding to request of Royal Commission of Inquiry (RCI) is based on Inquest findings being unsatisfactory. If the findings were “suicide”, then there is no RCI. And even if there were RCI, it is probably addressing MACC’s investigative techniques and procedures, not necessarily related how he dies or who caused it within Inquest’s purview. RCI on V.K. Lingam video clip already established authenticity of the tapes – the conversations were heard and events corroborated them – yet today they have decided no action would be taken against VK Lingam or even former chief justice holidaying with him in New Zealand. It is reported that no evidence is found to prove abuse of power in judicial appointments. There’s no evidence because there’s no active investigation of these issues, and today VK Lingam is still counsel acting for Tun Dr Mahathir Mohamad successful bid to strike out the appeal filed by Datuk Seri Anwar Ibrahim in a RM100 million defamation suit against TDM for calling him a homosexual.
So how hopeful are we that the RCI could in context of TBH’s case get us anywhere (if the Inquest were not in position to find out the truth?)
Did the police man bite himself and then blame somebody else? Did they do a DNA test? Did the bite marks match Tian’s false teeth? Was it a love bite? Why did the policeman put his hand in Tian’s mouth? Do we need Dr Pornthip’s expert advice? If it happened in Parliament house compound, is there immunity like the Selangor State Assembly grounds?
Questions, questions, questions.
tenaciousB …. Yeah.. the Thai King can send the troop in.. but in old Chinese words said Mountain high, King stay very far… by the time they come.. the Dr left only broken skeleton. to be safe i think KPS should request for protection.lingam case can close just like that!!! you can see how darkness ..see how darkness is in Malaysia Gov? 80% he kill..20% he jump… hahaha later this % will onited.
Teoh Beng Hock’s case.
“The Open verdict is an option open to a Coroner’s jury at an Inquest in the legal system of England and Wales.
The verdict strictly means that the jury confirms that the death is suspicious but is unable to reach any of the other verdicts open to them. It therefore affirms that a crime has been committed without stating by whom.”
Moral of the story: the “System”, instead of having within itself check and balances to prevent abuse of power, is sending out the signal that it always takes care of its own; that you are either part of the system and protects it as it will in turn profit you – and protect you even when you’re out of office or you are against the system where every part of its component parts will operate in unison against you.
A lot of good men and salt of the earth will not be prepared to fight the system – unless a Raja Petra Kamaruddin’s exceptional type.
Even armed with truth and justice, one generally can’t fight the system and win when the level playing field is tilted all around against him by a solid monolithic system with money and power dedicated to its own self preservation.
Of course to many they will take the realistic approach of joining that which they cannot fight and win.
I think we should appoint an independent sheriff, Sheriff Singh, to look at the love bites.
Maybe Tian Chua did bite the policeconstable out of love for his own life and for Malaysia. Isn’t that self-defence & national defence!
Now watch this brilliant magistrate climb the ladders ….to High Court, Court of Appeal, Federal Court and CJ. I mean such judicail brilliance cannot be easily ignored. I have noted his name for posterity.
So easy for a PR MP or state assemblyman to get disqualified
Just have skin in your mouth, between your teeth, n you r out
For BN MP or state assemblyman, have sex organ in your mouth, sucking, licking
OK man, no problemo, truly 1M’sia
///Tan asked: U no conduct the post mortem or inspect the body or go to the scene of the incident and u r not furnished with all the reports and photos, is it appropriate to form an opinion on mathematical terms that suicide is 20% and homicide 80%
Non-expert questioned experienced expert how to do her job///– boh-liao
I believe Tan only asked it to save MACC asking the same questions, but without the benefit of a direct answer from Porntip.
If one sees a person die with a gun shot wound in the head, one says it is murder, and other would claim suicide. To the expert, there is a way to tell whether it is murder or suicide. TBH was dead on the floor, and the question asked is whether he walked to his death, a suicide, or was he thrown out of the window dead or alive.
Pathologist knows the cause of death, such as the force of impact when the body met the ground. Porntip was able to tell that there were injuries which could not happen during the fall, and certainly not after the fall. So torture was carried out, and hard object was inserted into TBH anus. That might have caused him to become unconscious, and the rascals who did that thought that TBH was dead. Throwing TBH over the window and pretended that he committed suicide was the solution for them.
Two government pathologists should have ruled out suicide, based on the wounds inflicted on TBH which could only happened before he was thrown out of the window. But they did not address them. Did they not see those wounds, and have they any explanation. The two should be examined to see if they are indeed qualified as they claimed to have based on paper qualification.
After having been tortured, TBH was too weak to commit suicide by jumping, even if he had wished to. Why should there be a need to check on TBH financial situation and to have psychologists interview family members of TBH who were not at the scene of murder, the -MACC building. If it most obnoxious of the authority trying to imply that TBH committed suicide, and out now on fishing mission to pin suicide as a cause of TBH death. What about the wounds inflicted on him before his demise, thrown over by Porntip’s 80% prediction over 20% for MACC to justify other means through which the body, unconscious at that time, went through the window. The 20% allows man from Mars to be involved also.
Tan was mindful to ask Porntip the direct question. Did he ever ask questions regarding the need to check on TBH’s account, and also the interview of psychologist talking to TBH family? On probability computation, given that the psychologist come out with a cent per cent argument that TBH tended to commit suicide, it was only 20% chance since he had no opportunity to do so.
“Of course to many they will take the realistic approach of joining that which they cannot fight and win.” (Jeffrey)
Jeffrey,
Don’t be too pessimistic about the chances of winning by the righteousness and the justice over the malicious and ill-willed deed of the evils.
You must realize that the political strength of Pakatan Rakyat lies in the ordinary men of the street together with the continuing educational and propaganda effort contributed by the conscientious intellectuals.
In the past, Barisan Nasional component parties were able to get a landslide victory during the General Election easily because of their practicing the Grace Politics, where a small piece of agricultural land would be given to the needies in the rural areas whenever the date of election came near at hand. However, the political situation had already changed due to the fast depletion of aerable lands in Peninsular Malaysia. The lack of available state lands which can be given away to the needies, together with the greedy practice of kidnapping big pieces of aerable lands by the rich and influential through the practice of corruption within the Office of Menteri Besars and the land offices, have already impaired the effective functioning of the system of Grace Politics. When Umnoputras have no longer been able to create the political miracle by way of practicing Grace Politics, that will give a good opportunity for an opposition party like Pakatan Rakyat to win in the General Election.
The only obstacle which is too obvious for Pakatan Rakyat leaders to reach out to the commoners in the rural areas is that most PR leaders speak with high technical or academic tones, which many laymen will not be able to comprehend! Therefore, Pakatan Rakyat will stand a good chance to win if its national leaders can lower their standards a bit by choosing to visit the villagers much more frequently and try to speak to the villagers with the language which they can easily understand.
Of course, Pakatan Rakyat will have not much difficulty to win over an English-speaking person like me when its leaders keep talking something that really makes sense!
Let me tell you a thing or two about the injury to beng hock’s backside. Could it be that someone on top of torturing beng hock for all sorts of information (real or fabricated), they were also trying to create some sodomy injuries (see they learned their lesson from saiful – the sodomy victim with no physical signs of sodomy) so that they can to mount sodomy charges against a certain unfortunate pakatan chap.
Jeffrey, do you know why the villagers from my village keep casting votes in favour of the Umnoputra candidate, even though the candidate who is a minister keeps giving empty promise?
The villagers cast votes for the Umnoputra because the Umnoputra will offer free buffet lunch whenever he came visit the village. The villagers feel that they are being loved by the politician because the politician comes visit them! The reason looks too simple but it is also real and practical — getting a free lunch and a warm handshake are better than getting none!
Yes onlooker. Indeed so for the hand is warm and arguments are cold, hard and dry.
Section 332 of the Penal Code – Voluntarily causing hurt to deter public servant from his duty.
But Magistrate said “even a video recording submitted by the defence showed he had resisted arrest. Although the video recording did not show the biting, I believe it did as the policeman had testified that he had punched the accused and Chua had retaliated by biting.” – Source Malaysiakini report
This is then a case of policeman (Constable Rosyaidi) punching Tian Chua first and Chua had “retaliated” by biting (in magistrate’s words).
Now police have the right to use reasonable force if one resists arrest. He can for example physically wrestle your arm to hand cuff you.
However, does reasonable force include punching Chua??? Is it discharging public duty to punch? Who is voluntarily causing hurt?
Doesn’t a party like Tian Chua, attacked in this way by force (punch) likely to cause bodily harm, have right to self defence by biting to avert further punches?
Tian chua was facing a criminal charge wasnt he? And wasnt it the position in law that evidential ambiguity in the prosecution’s case would be treated as a doubt in the charge against him?
“Doesn’t a party like Tian Chua, attacked in this way by force (punch) likely to cause bodily harm, have right to self defence by biting to avert further punches?” (Jeffrey)
Jeffrey,
If Tian Chua is a Malay, then only he will be given the right to self-defence. Otherwise, he has no right to self-defence. This is the law interpretation in the System of Ketuanan Melayu, which means practicing of institutionalised racist prejudice is permississble by the Umnoputras but is not permissible but others who are non-Umnoputras.
“However, does reasonable force include punching Chua??? Is it discharging public duty to punch?” (Jeffrey)
Jeffrey,
If Tian Chua is a Malay, then the police was not using reasonable force when he punched Tian Chua. If Tian Chua is a non-Malay, then the police was discharging his public duty lawfully when he punched Tian Chua. The police was even permitted to kill Tian Chua like killing Kugan if he wanted to do so. This is the institutionalised racist prejudice permissible by the system of Ketuanan Melayu!
Onlooker politic.
I think this has nothing to do with whether you are malay or chinese or indian.Just that you belong to PR you are considered enemies of the state.These BN ‘busterds’ are all out to get rid of PR people.Look at the way they got Nizar out of Perak.Totally shameful.Blardy BN.This is making my blood boil.
Now thw authorities will likely have to find some excuses to prevent Dr PR from coming to this country! Can’t afford to let her spoil the party.
Onlooker Politics,
Whatever institutionalised racism there is (generally) in policies and even attitudes of law enforcement agencies, I don’t think that in a multi racial country we should just so readily (in frustration and anger) attribute and interpret any abuse of power along racial lines without clear proof of the specific circumstances and persons under review. (This kind of atribution aggravates the racial divide, don’t you think so?)
For example, the abuses alleged to be commited by MACC when interrogating : it is easy to say TBH was treated such because he was non-Malay when for all we know it could happen to even a Malay.
We tend to selectively forget, for example, the other allegation by UMNO Maran Division Committee Member Halimi Kamaruzzaman that he was roughed up and forced to strip by MACC officers in a politically-motivated investigation targeting another UMNO politician Norza Zakaria.
It seems to me that if true, the overzealousness of doing everything outside the book to implicate a target could be more influenced by desire to ingratiate the boss by getting the politically desired result than motivated by the race of the victim mistreated. Anwar Ibrahim himself was roughed up in custody by no less a person than the then IGP!
Ok. I for now will stop launching attack on the institutionalised racism and will focus more on the unfair Machiavellian practices of bi-partisan politics by the Umnoputras.
The Umnoputras should be responsible for all kinds and all forms of human rights encroachment upon the rightful citizens of Malaysia. The police who punched Tian Chua should be charged in court for abuse of excessive force in carrying out the official duty!
MACC should be held responsible for causing death to Teoh Beng Hock, whether directly or indirectly, due to negligence in providing adequate protection to him during his being put under the official custody of the MACC! The MACC should be taken to court and be ordered by court to pay monetary compensation in form of liquidated damages and punitive compensation to the heir apparent of Teoh Beng Hock!
Onlooker – you are not wrong.
Jeffrey – you are not wrong as well.
Both of you are right. Just different ways of looking at things but still leads to Rome. My kopitiam way is a different style too, but still leads to Rome.
So i will see you all in Rome, albeit different route.
The policeman and Tian Chua chose to settle their personal scores through physical contest. Charge both of them for disturbing public peace. It would not amount to six months or RM 2,000 calculated to deprive Tian Chia of his MP position. UMNO is keen for a buy-election having won a landslide win in Bagan Pinang.
///For example, the abuses alleged to be commited by MACC when interrogating : it is easy to say TBH was treated such because he was non-Malay when for all we know it could happen to even a Malay.///– Jeffrey
It might be put in a different way. it is easier, or of a higher probability for the non-Malays to be treated in that manner than would a Malay. That is the problem with institutionalised discrimination. The non-Malays are considered guilty first, to be proven innocent, and the Malays, innocent until found guilty. Yes, party affiliation is another filter, after having settled the prior racial classification.
Ai say man, TC must learn from Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi
Ahimsa or total nonviolence n must learn ‘ren’ forbearance/tolerance
Kena whack one cheek, give the other cheek lah
See, now, suffer 1, may eat free curry rice n lose MP
Look at Dato Seri Anwar Ibrahim.He was beaten while handcuffed in the lock up by Malaysian chief police.Nothing happened to him.Police admitted the wrondoing,but what happen?Basically I think government will beat the heck out of anyone who does not toe the same corrupt political policies.Good on you BN.We will vote you out in General Election 13.
“Police admitted the wrondoing,but what happen?” (rahmanwang)
rahmanwang,
Perhaps you are still not aware that ex IGP Tan Sri Rahim Noor had been sentenced to 2 months’ jail by the court for his assaulting Anwar Ibrahim in Bukit Aman underground Police Lockup.
You should be holding the opinion that there is still hope for a change to be carried out by Pakatan Rakyat in Malaysia so that you choose to come here to contribute your comment. If you have already lost the hope in the possibility of bringing change to Malaysia, then I won’t believe that you will continue to contribute your comment again.
If it is already proven that Malaysia’s democracy system never works at all, perhaps many other Malaysians will have long since chosen to take the path along the path that had been tried out by Chin Peng at the earlier days of his life, or just to take the path that had been followed through by Nordin Mat Top. If you still have faith in Malaysia, then please work hard to ask your friends and relatives to cast votes for Pakatan Rakyat in the next General Election.
I hope University of Malaya can considering hiring Dr Porntip because our local medical schools are currently having an acute shortage of talented teaching staff.
Yeah how true. I bet najib beat ong, chua and liaw into submission. Or was it the umno god who was at work?
///Yeah how true. I bet najib beat ong, chua and liaw into submission. Or was it the umno god who was at work?///taiking
i saw ong, chua and liow in the hospital yesterday. all of them has an injury caused by 3by5 cm hard object inserted into their @sshole.
///If you still have faith in Malaysia, then please work hard to ask your friends and relatives to cast votes for Pakatan Rakyat in the next General Election.///onlooker
yesterday 2 more guys who has never voted before in their life, are reading LKS,MT, etc blog…. now leaning towards PR.
Wherever there is perseverence there is hope.
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They will not go very far with their extrajudicial killings. Its a pity the Malaysian legal fraternity has had no courage, no resourcefulness and no ability to see further than their petty egos and their general incompetence in the law.
Its taken a group of foreign lawyers knowing how far the long hand of the law and justice can and will extend to put their proverbial shoulders to the wheels of justice to get it going.
To those who initiated it. There is always the gratification that your day will come.
As Victor Hugo wrote “Theres nothing more powerful than an idea whose time has come”.
To those who believe theselves to be invincible because of their economic or physical might, this from Gandhi:
“Behold the mighty Englishman who rules the Indian small. Because he is a meat eater he thinks he’s ten cubitts tall”.
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This individual appears to be more concerned about her public image as a rabble rouser unconventional forensic pathologist rather than someone who is competent in her field of science. And we and the media buy it.
There are no known sciences that give out such probabilities known to man where one can posthumously indicate without the body the victims mental condition.
I think she is talking ‘channeling’ or praying throught Datuks fromn Tokongs for her telepathic indulgences with spirits for her ‘scientific results’.
Suicide is the consequence of a mental state of mind resulting in a decision to take one’s life and is not the function of the body.
Pornthip fails to indicate how she came to the consclusion of 80% murder and 20% suicide.
Now heres the rub. In protecting herself (perhaps unintentionally) for her nonsense she has injected into the equation the element of doubt that would be the tool for any half baked lawyer (and Malaysia’s lawyers are about 99% half baked) to have any charges against whoever it is that is to be accused thrown out of court.
In the criminal code, the element of doubt is necessary to secure a discharge or acquittal of the charges proffered against an accused. She has now provided it in her statements.
Gopal Raj Kumar
///There are no known sciences that give out such probabilities known to man where one can posthumously indicate without the body the victims mental condition.
I think she is talking ‘channeling’ or praying throught Datuks fromn Tokongs for her telepathic indulgences with spirits for her ’scientific results’.///–grkumar
I am afraid you are wrong particularly on the second sentence. She is world renown in her field.
She concluded that TBH was unconscious on impact against the ground because there were no injuries reported which were expected when a conscious person fall onto the ground. She had examined hundreds of cases of people falling from height, and the statement must be from experience. I think if you know her field, you should question her on her conclusion regarding specific explanation. The two government pathologists were asked only to confirm that it was a suicide. They have chosen to ignore facts and clues which pointed otherwise.
Porntip, the Thai expert will conduct an autopsy with the agreement of the late TBH’s family. A simple case has become complicated with the passage of time. She will be able to solve the mystery whether the authority in Malaysia accepts it or not, 99% of outside world will. The number refers to the percentage of the number of countries where a majority of the pathologists would accept her conclusion. The 1% is for Malaysia.
///Pornthip fails to indicate how she came to the consclusion of 80% murder and 20% suicide./// – grkumar
The preponderence of Pornthip’s assessment is 80% homicide based on forensics (strangulation in neck, brises on thighs & injury at anus) and generally what Loh observed above.
When grKumar says, “suicide is the consequence of a mental state of mind resulting in a decision to take one’s life and is not the function of the body”, he should first question government forensic experts, how prior to determining TBH’s mentals take, they came to inference that it was suicide!
Take for examples:
· Govt forensic psychiatrist Dr Prashant Samberkar postulated suicide theory but conceded under cross examination that it was important to know the psychological state of the deceased to determine suicide (which he didn’t know); or
· according to 9th witness Government DNA expert Dr Seah Lay Hong, instructions from police investigators did not include the possibility of Teoh Beng Hock being murdered and that angle had not been specifically considered in her analyses operating within the framework of “suicide” only’.
Why doesn’t grkumar question the bias of government’s forensic psychiatrist DNA expert or police investigations concentrating on suicide theory without prior examination of TBH’s state of mind earlier?
And to say that “Malaysia’s lawyers are about 99% half baked”, thats patronising, and I wonder what’s the basis he says that, whether he include government lawyers as well, and whats the relevance of this toan assessment of Pornthip’s findings discussed here.
If our lawyers are 99% half baked I woonder whose lawyers are full baked – English, American, Singapore’s or Thai lawyers or what? Hah ha ha!
Oopos – “TBH’s mental STATE”