A hostile posting in yesterday’s thread “Fulfilment of 30-year dream of Sabahans in the hands of Sabah BN MPs” reminded me that the first time I raised the problem of illegal immigrants in Sabah was exactly 30 years ago.
I referred to this in my speech in Kota Kinabalu at the 37th DAP anniversary dinner on 4th July 2003, which is worth revisiting, viz:
This is the 40th anniversary of Sabah when together with Sarawak and Singapore, Malaysia was formed in 1963 from an expanded Malaya. It is also a time for an assessment of the successes and failures of nationhood and political development in the past four decades in Sabah.
There is probably no better start for such an assessment than an encounter with a taxi-driver in Kota Kinabalu. In the past few days, the planes are beginning to be full again, hotel room occupancy rates up and travel business and local economy starting to revive after the crippling effects of the SARS outbreak.
But the comment of a Kota Kinabalu taxi-driver was most perceptive and meaningful, when he posed the question: “What is the SARS outbreak for three months when the people of Sabah had been suffering from SARS for seven long years!”
I was at first mystified by what the taxi-driver meant, whether Sabah had secretly been the victim of the fatal SARS outbreak for seven long years without the knowledge of the people in Malaysia , the world and the WHO!
The taxi-driver enlightened me that the SARS outbreak which had afflicted Sabah for seven years is not the frightening new disease which had killed hundreds of people in China, Hong Kong, Canada, Singapore and Malaysia but stands for “Saham Amanah Rakyat Sabah” syndrome!
In 1996, the then Sabah Chief Minister Yong Teck Lee persuaded 57,000 Sabahans to invest in SAS – Saham Amanah Sabah – convincing them that it was a great buy which would multiply its value twice or thrice its original price of one ringgit! Today, SAS has reached the point of no return, dropped from RM1 to below 20 sen, with some telling me that it is now worth only 19 sen while others putting it as low as 12 sen – incurring over RM400 million losses!
DAP MP for Bukit Mertajam, Chong Eng and the DAP MP for Batu Gajah, Fong Po Kuan had just given a multimedia presentation of the great deterioration of law and order in the country resulting in the high rate of crime and the fear of crime, recently illustrated by the brutal Canny Ong abduction-rape-murder in Kuala Lumpur, marking the end of an era of public security and citizen safety in the streets, public spaces and even homes.
Sabah lost that innocence more than 30 years ago – when Sabah was transformed from a very safe and law-abiding state where people had no qualms or fears to leave their houses unlocked because of a non-existing crime rate to a a very unsafe place because of the influx of illegal immigrants.
The following judgment could serve as a verdict of 40 years of nationhood and development in Sabah:
“The management of Sabah’s resources, civil service and political situation are among the factors contributing to the state’s lackluster economic performance. Sabah was once a wealthy state but it has reached a point of no return and is now in the same economic league as Kelantan.”
This indictment of 40 years of development of Sabah did not come from the DAP or the Opposition but was made by an UMNO national leader who would have been the country’s Finance Minister if he had not lost the 1999 general election – Datuk Mustapha Mohamad, now the National Economic Action Council executive director at a dialogue at Universiti Malaysia Sabah in Kota Kinabalu in February this year!
Sabah has reached such economic doldrums not because of inefficient and bungling Opposition rule – but after nine years of Barisan Nasional government with its special brand of rotation of the post of Sabah Chief Minister.
Sabah is a special state and has a long list of “firsts”, though many with dubious honour, in Malaysia.
One such dubious “first” is in having the most number of Chief Ministers in the past 40 years as compared, for instance, with Sarawak – both of which joined together to form Malaysia 40 years ago. In the past 40 years, Sarawak had four Chief Ministers but Sabah had as many as 13 Chief Ministers!
Having so many Chief Ministers should be a blessing and a boon to the people of Sabah, in particular seven Chief Ministers in the past nine years, if Chief Ministers competed as to who can serve the people and state better – but it would undeniably be a curse for Sabah if so many Chief Ministers in so short a span of time only resulted in the competition as to who could serve themselves and their cronies better at the expense of the people and the state.
Barisan Nasional’s rotation of the Sabah Chief Minister system has proved to be a double disaster for Sabah. It was introduced by the Barisan Nasional as a gambit to wrest state power from the PBS of Datuk Seri Josteph Pairin Kitingan, allegedly to prove a higher commitment to the principles of multi-racialism and political pluralism.
It has not worked out as promised as in the past nine years, there had been four Chief Ministers from UMNO, two Chinese Chief Ministers claiming to represent the Chinese community, while the Kadazandusun community had only one Chief Minister who lasted only 14 months!
The system of rotation of the post of Sabah Chief Minister has left the people and state of Sabah even more worse-off with every rotation.
When I came to Sabah in the seventies, I highlighted three burning issues close to the heart of the people – the issues of illegal immigrants, corruption and democracy!
In all these three issues, the situation today is even worse than they were three decades ago. In fact, democracy in Sabah had gone back by some 20 years, with the Sabah State Assembly reduced to a one-party chamber where the voice, grievances and aspirations of the ordinary people could no more be heard! To restore democracy, the people of Sabah have to go back 20 years to the “Spirit of Tambunan” in the Tambunan by-election in 1984 marking the the beginning of an awakening and commitment to end unpopular rule, corruption and misgovernance in the state.
The issue of illegal immigrants has become so serious over the decades that it has fundamentally altered the demographic, political, economic and even constitutional landscape in the state, to the extent that many Sabahans are very disturbed and alienated that the majority of the state’s population of 2.6 million are not genuine Sabahans or Malaysians!
Kota Kinabalu, for instance, has become the capital of unaccountability, untransparency and bad governance not only in Sabah but also in Malaysia. The scandal of the most exorbitant municipal car-parking rates remained unresolved, as despite the various adjustments to the regime of the highest car-parking rates in the country topping RM38.50 a day, the KK Municipal Council is slated to up its overall car-park collection by 30%.
From Wisma Merdeka to Centrepoint, there are 22 Twentieth Century Lamp-posts which are the symbols of Kota Kinabalu as the capital of unaccountability, untransparency and bad governance in Malaysia – as they cost the people RM2.1 million or RM46,000 each when their cost was only RM5,000 each.
But there can be no more blatant symbol of Kota Kinabalu as the capital of unaccountability, untransparency and bad governance than the outrageous scandal of the closure of a public road for a private purpose, the closure of the Jalan Jati for the Sugar Bun operation.
Although the issue has been taken to court in a legal challenge as to the legality of the closure of Jalan Jati by the KK Municipality for a private purpose, I find it most shocking that this issue has remained unresolved whether by the KK Municipality or the Sabah State Government for the past four years since mid-2000.
I am not talking about the law, but the public morality and good governance of the decision. The refusal of the authorities concerned to revoke the closure of Jalan Jati and return it from private use to common public use is the height of unaccountability, untransparency and bad governance of the Kota Kinabalu Municipality and the Sabah State Government.
A survey and assessment of the political development and nation building of Sabah in the past 40 years reminds one of the imagery of swarm of locusts laying barren a rich and verdant land – that in the past 40 years, Sabah had been had been laid bare by swarms of “political locusts” downgrading it from a “once wealthy state to the same economic league as Kelantan” reaching “a point of no return”!
This is why the forthcoming Sabah state general election and the 11th national general election are so critical and unlike previous general elections – for the voters of Kota Kinabalu and Sabah must unite to open up Jalan Jati, open up Kota Kinabalu, open up Sabah and open up Malaysia to democracy, justice, fair play and good governance!
There is a further reason why the coming elections are two crucial tests for democracy and nation-building in Sabah and Malaysia – as the very basis of the 1963 Malaysia Agreement which constitutes the basis for the formation of Malaysia is facing unprecedented challenge.
The Cobbold Commission Report 1963, the founding document of the 1963 Malaysia Agreement, published the memorandum which was submitted by the Donald Stephens as Chairman of the Malaysia Solidarity Consultative Committee on 23rd February 1962, which said: “It is satisfied that the acceptance of Islam as the religion of the Federation would not endanger religious freedom within Malaysia nor will it make Malaysia a State less secular”.
The “929 Declaration” by the Prime Minister, Datuk Seri Dr. Mahathir Mohamad on Sept. 29, 2001 that Malaysia is an Islamic State goes against the very fundamentals of the 1957 Merdeka Constitution and the 1963 Malaysia Agreement of a democratic, secular and multi-religious nation where Islam is the official religion but Malaysia is not an Islamic State – whether ala-UMNO or ala-PAS.
The fathers of the Merdeka Constitution and the Malaysia Agreement were not anti-Islam or any religion when they declared Islam as the official religion would not in anyway undermine or compromise the secular basis and character of multi-religious Malaysia – that “it will make Malaysia a State less secular”.
This is the fundamental constitutional principle and nation-building cornerstone which has been challenged by the “929 Declaration” and why Sabahans should stand in the very forefront with all other like-minded Malaysians to defend and uphold the 1957 Merdeka Constitution and the 1963 Malaysia Agreement to preserve, defend and uphold the democratic, secular and multi-religious basis and character of Sabah and Malaysia.
Don’t worry about the UMNOputra Killer’s posting. He was in his diapers when you were fighting for a fair Malaysia. Furthermore, you did not enrich yourselves at the expense of Sabahans or others, unlike those leeches in UMNO.
Uncle Lim, if this the way you saw our problem long time before, now and the future, DAP surely would get more votes in future political elections. I would surely vote for you and How my wish that our present Sabah Chief Minister would have the same approach like this. I respect you Uncle Lim..
Well said Kit.
Killer @ Realworld @ UMNO cybertrooper was LYING when he claimed that you were raising the issue of illegal immigrants in Sabah NOW when many of us already knew that you had brought it up time and again over the years (referring to your past speeches and books written by you).
Killer, a word of advise for you – next time you want to slander Kit or anyone of repute in cyberspace or elsewhere, please do some research first before you mouth off like some slavering mutt who hasn’t had a bite in days. It makes you look utterly idiotic as this blog entry by Kit has clearly shown.
All trouble stated when UMNO step foot in Sabah.The cancer in UMNO.IS BAD REALLY BAD.My take is that UMNO will not last another year. Now all the fence sitters in UMNO are waiting to jump.
Sabah’s problem with illegals may have started under Mustapha Mohamed, but the it accelerated under Mahathir’s 22 year rule. For a start, Sabah UMNO was an upstart created by Mahathir’s disdain of the local parties that would constantly hold the federal government to ransom whenever they felt that they had the upper hand. Mahathir also thought that the country should have an optimal population of 70 million, so what better way to grow the population than to “admit” as many Indonesians and Filipinos as possible into Sabah provided they meet certain criteria such as language and religion. The third objective of Mahathir was to have a certain degree of knowledge and control over the insurgency in Mindanao, which Mahathir covertly supported against the legitimate Philippine government.
The implementation of Mahathir’s grand plans became a money-spinning machine for those involved – ICs became available for sale, every party clamoured to hold the CM position to enrich itself, and vast tracts of pristine jungle were cleared for oil palm. Hundreds of thousands of hectares of land were given to cronies of BN parties for logging, and subsequently for planting oil palm. The law of the jungle prevailed to this day in Sabah. Disputes are settled through the barrels of guns, and a former UMNO CM could even afford to lose millions in a highly publicised gambling debt case. Environmental considerations are routinely brushed aside in the name of development.
The current situation cannot be resolved by a person of Badawi’s shallow intellectual capacity. It requires a total overhaul of the system that BN – being the perpetrator of the problem – is unwilling or unable to make. Sabahans must take a cue from their brethren in Peninsular Malaysia to make a drastic change.
Sdr Lim,
The fact that you allow Killer to post whatever he wished (even unjustified accusations) is a manifestation of who you are and what you stand for. No body can blackmail you, no body can unfairly accuse you, and no body can sabotage you because you stay truth to your principle. It has been 40 years; if you have any skeleton in the closet, it would have been long exposed, knowing the countless spineless vultures in the Malaysian political scene. You are the epitome of what principled politics is all about. I wish all aspiring politicians from all political parties will look to you for a better Malaysia.
It will be alright if we identify who are these UMNO cyber squatters. Name them here.
Pairin and his PBS are to be blamed for the now rampant illegal immigrant problems in Sabah.. They were the Sabah state government since the mid 80’s.. If they were to block those illegal immigrants since then, it won’t become the current uncontrolled situation..
Also, while they were controlling the Sabah state legislative assembly, why allow for the gerry-mandering of the state constituencies, where the muslim bumiputra majority seats were created till more than the non-muslim bumiputra majority and chinese majority seats combined..
Pairin and PBS are in fact the traitors of their own Kadazan-Dusun-Murut people..
Shame on Pairin, the Hugoun Sion, or Paramount Leader of Kadazan..
My friend who is working in kota kinabalu told me that since the entry (read “intrusion”) of UMNO into Sabah, the state has become more and more “Islamized”.. More and more people are wearing tudungs nowadays..
Back in the 80’s, basically all races, no matter you are a muslim, christian and buddhist, all can sit together inside the same restaurant or coffee shop for meals.. The muslims even ate “keow teow sup” cooked by Chinese, with pork inside the keow teow sup.. The muslim will just pick out those porks and avoid eating them, and he can happily eat the keow teow and sup.. Just like many chinese didn’t take beef, and when we encounter beef in our “fried mee”, we just pick out those beef and avoid it, and can happily eat the fried mee.. What’s the big deal?
UMNO supporter behind the hostile posting understands the wider political implications of your proposal to establish RCI on immigrant problem in Sabah. Of course you have been talking about illegal immigrants in Sabah through the years but the timing now is disconcerting (to UMNO supporters), considering that with 82 Pakatan Rakyat MPs in support, you need just 24 BN/Sabah MPs, concerned about the problem in their homeland, to carry through your proposal in parliament at a time when TDM is asking UMNO members to leave the party! Although no one can doubt your sincerity to address the Sabah problem – proven through the years – no one should underestimate the political impact and implications of your Opposition proposal being carried through (with 24 BN/Sabah MPs’ support) overwhelming the BN’s collective votes against (at a time when speculations of ‘crossovers’ from Sabah/Sarawak to enable Pakatan Rakyat to form the government before end of the year are in the air! Are you not testing waters?
24 BN/Sabah MPs – and the BN Sarawak BN MPs – control about 24 per cent of the seats in Parliament. They are the king-makers. Ruling party does not know exactly how many amongst them are Trojan horses – ie. people disgruntled with ‘parti penjajah’ in East Malaysia; people who would have joined Pakatan Rakyat (PR) prior to 8th March but were advised to contest and prioritize winning seats under BN ticket first to see how PR could perform in 12th General Election and only if the PR Opposition won with a large enough minority – and all it needed were just a few extra seats to defeat the government’s motion and form the government – should they show their face, leave the ruling coalition and join the Opposition, in the process toppling the government to form a new one!
These are troubled times (for UMNO/BN).
Reasons: Firstly, the widely speculated opportunism of many East Malaysian politicians with this attitude -“Kita meyertai Umno kerana Umno berkuasa di Sabah tetapi kita harap Umno akan jatuh supaya kita boleh kembali ke parti asal.” [“We are Umno members but we dont’ like Umno. We joined Umno because Umno is strong in Sabah but we hope Umno will fall so that we can continue with our original party.”] They may just swing to the “winning side” – the coalition of the future.; second, even member No. 1 on UMNO members registration list (TDM) and No. 2, his wife have resigned from the party and calling others to do so…..If East Malaysians politicians perceive UMNO imploding, BN a fast sinking titanic, they are readier and may just jump ship!
That is why your timing to introduce the proposal at this time – to test waters – is impeccable ; equally very disconcerting/upsetting to UMNO/BN supporters because its striking at their achilles heel at this politically vulnerable moment, although they don’t say it out loud but instead commit error of fact in saying that you have not spoken up for East Malaysians before this time. That could be the reason behind hostile posting accusing you of political opportunism. :)
Dear YB.
Just do it.
You cannot please everyone all the time. As long as it is good for the raayat and mankind. God bless you.
We cry for the innocent people of Sabah! What a shame that they had been courted to be ‘a partner’ to form Malaysia to end up as ‘one of the 13 states’! And takes all orders from the UMNOputras (not our innocent Malay brothers, of course) under the pretext of a better future for them but turn out to be a ‘cheat’ to enrich themselves! Gone are the days of a Kadazan Chief Minister on their own NATIVE land? God bless our Kadazandusun Sabahans!
Kit’s proposal to Parliament to establish RCI on immigrant problem in Sabah is a politically deft and savvy move to drive the screw deeper to existing BN/UMNO’s wounds.
DSAI has just reiterated Paktan Rakyat’s intentions. Reported on front page NST 22nd May – (Quote: “I do intend to topple the government, we have the numbers”, Anwar said in Singapore yesterday. “I am looking forward to early elections, hopefully before September…We will move the moment we are sure we can contest and a vote of no confidence against the PM in Parliament is our best option……”.
Sabahans being swamped by immigrants due to UMNO’s policies is an issue dear to their hearts so what Kit’s proposal does is to drive a wedge between BN Sabah MPs and Peninsular UMNO…
Meanwhile over at Peninsular, TDM (thanks to him) is driving a wedge between his supporters and the rest of UMNO members so that, in terms of potential crossovers, the UMNO/BN is not subject to pressure and attack from two flanks by set of a pincers one from Sabah/East Malaysia and the other from Peninsular.
BN Sabah MPs face dilemma : if they don’t support Kit’s proposal, they may be booted out in imminent election if DSAI makes the move in September – and if BN Sabah MPs support Kit’s/Pakatan Rakyat’s proposal for RCI on immigrant problem in Sabah now – in defeat of BN’s whip votes against – this indirectly tantamount to “a vote of no confidence against the PM in Parliament” that DSAI talked about, bringing forward the day of reckoning….
Have a change of Federal Government and give PR a chance to helm Sabah would be an alternative.
Mr. Anwar told Singapore reporters that he did intend to topple the government and they had the numbers. He is looking forward to early elections hopefully before September 2008. The moment they are sure they would contest and make a move.
He said that the government would be fragile if it had a one to two majority, and that a two-thirds majority was not needed. He added that he wanted a majority of five or six and saw a vote of no-confidence in parliament as the best course of action.
Sabahans,
You really neednt talk to UMNO and bargain for a better position in BN.
You will not get it.
It would be a waste your time.
We all know the reasons.
I would not waste my time elaborating them.
Just leave BN.
please brings the Tingkayu matter again to the Parliment.
the farmer find difficult and fell hard time.
even the cops didnt do anything about it..
please..
i’ve read the matter at Malaysia today..
http://www.malaysia-today.net/2008/content/view/7778/84/
the MP there are sleeping..
Greetings! YB
In Malaysia, one of the beauty scenario is some people’s assuming that they knew everything but in actual fact they’re not.
Kit, you’ve been fighting for the justices in decades and many of them out there still tried to ignore it.
Anyway, you’ll have our support no matter what is happening.
Best regards.
In the 70s, we studies together with many Malay students in secondary school. All of us got along very well. Now I heard many incidents of Malay students fighting with Chinese students in schools. Many teachers from the West teaching in Sabah did the “brainwashing”.
Some Western countries absorb skillful, educated and business person with experience immigrants, they bring money, knowledge and skill and flourish the country. Sabah brings in illegal immigrants and distroy the paradise under the wind, crime, drug and social problems all start to flourish since Datuk Haris’s time, and Umno make it worse. These are their contribution to our state.
Killer:
Are you going to apologise to Kit for making this unfounded allegation ? Are you going to say “sorry” or is this word not in UMNO’s dictionary ? Or will you be parroting your UMNO masters in saying that “the issue of apology does not arise” ?
Godfather, I doubt he wants to apologise. I did warn you guys when I first saw his name here and I warn you guys about who the real person “killer” was.
Just for your information, “killer” do you remember that Lim Kit Siang was barred from Sabah and Sarawak? In Kuching airport, he was pushed to a wheelchair and lifted back the plane. There, he was guarded until the plane left. YB Lim, do you keep clips of that paper report?
For a person who was so much hated by Sarawak and Sabah administration, he still spoke for their well-being. Need I say more, friend?
The word “sorry” is not in UMNO’s dictionary. So is the word “shame”.
We can look at this motion whatever ways we want – an attempt to put the BN MPs from Sabah in difficult position, an attempt to create a wedge between BN Sabah and the Federal government, or even an attempt to “vote out” the Federal government.
Frankly, I don’t care what BN think and what some of the bloggers here think. I want to look at this motion purely as what is intended – to call for the setting up of the RCI to investigate excessive abuse of immigration process that has taken place for more than 30 years. We must seek to find out who were responsible for this excessive abuse, the collusion involved, and even the crime perpetrated.
The BN MPs have been talking very loudly recently, so let them walk the talk. The vote is the vote for the motion to establish the RCI, not a vote of “no confidence” on the Federal Government. We must continue to evolve and progress from what we have been doing for years. Just let our MPs vote according to issue at hand and according to their conscience. Come to think of it, if every damn thing is voted according to party whip, then there is no need for all the MPs attend Parliament. Let them stay put in their respective constituencies. At least we can save some allowances.
The voting for the motion is truly a check mate move. If the BN MPs from Sabah cast a vote for the motion (Knowing what happens when you do that within “Bo Nao”), they leave with a legacy and will be remembered by the rakyat. If they do otherwise, it will goes to show the sabahan which person to avoid voting for comes the next election.
To put it in simple term, the BN MPs from Sabah really has no choice. Voting against the motion is not an option. Its a situation of “If I vote for the motion i will die, but if i vote against it, i will die also”. The solution? Why not die with dignity? They MUST vote for the motion to establish the RCI!
YB Lim,
The illegal in Sabah is reaching an extreme situation; the problem is W Malaysia is equally alarming.
I could drive in Klang and Port Klang and recognise who are the illegal “wak.” But why are they tolerated here? If we don’t check this, we are going to face the same problem as Sabahans.
1. I know one “wak” who is an errant boy for police officers. He drove around, without valid licence and identity. Lately he managed to “buy” a MyCard.
2. Every minor renovation in the Klang valley seemed to be done by illegal from Indo and India. To the house owner, they are source of cheaper workmanship. To the relevant authorities, they provide external source of income. In fact they openly tell you that upon quoting a contract cost, they include provision for “wang rokok untuk abang-abang yang akan datang.”
3. There’re some cases I know where illegal married local girls (and illegal woman married local boys).
Each one or two years, the Internal Ministry (4 years was under the PM), made operations to deport illegal, yet no effort was made to monitor their re-entry. I know of so many cases of these illegal returning here with social pass, continue to rent the same house that they left a month or two earlier. Some even continue to send their children to the same school. Sabah problem is extreme, but we are also going in that direction.
After dozen of newborn Malays are born, they embrace the Ketuanaan and Kerdil policy this is supported by their politician and leader. They become Mat Rempit which is subsequently endorse by Azalina as healthy way to past times. When economy turn bad, these Mat Rempit grow teeth and start to bites.
Simple solution ask this people with MY KAD to speak malay or even english. You can can clearly see that they are either INDON OR PHILIPS. We are one country but have two set of laws ..one for east and one for west
Dear Kit
It was nice of you to respond to my post.
However, the phrase “shooting in your foot” came to my mind upon reading your speech above.
First of all, that was just a typical political tirade against the Sabah BN govt that even a third-rate politician would have conjured up within an hour of landing in KK. That you had to be enlightened by a taxi driver betrays the depth of your knowledge about Sabah.
Secondly, the speech itself was a generic, straight from the toolbox, Whack-The-BN-govt type of speech. The issue of illegal immigrants was just mentioned in passing.
I am more interested in what you did about the problem? Did you bring it up to the parliament? Did you table any motion? Did you pursue the problem doggedly and vigorously after that?
If the answer is “YES” to all the above questions, I will gladly apologise to you. If “NO”, then I expect you to be a gentleman enough to admit that you didn’t (I don’t need your apologies).
And BTW, I don’t care if I am labeled as an UMNO Cybertrooper or even Nazi Storm trooper. I am not ranting or raving here but raising valid points.
However, if dissenting is labeled as unacceptable then it makes me wonder what kind of values that the party stands for.
Let me lay out my cards here. I know far more than YB Kit about the issue of Sabah’s illegal immigrants. This is far more serious and a lot complex than Kit thinks. What Kit has mentioned is a very superficial view of a very messy issue.
I do believe the Sabahans have been wronged and there are a lot of things that need to be fixed and it is not just the illegal immigrant issue. The main villain in this case is none other than Dr M himself and some of the Sabah politicians themselves. Personally I find some of the things that been done are hard to forgive.
I do hope that all these deeds can be reversed and fixed. Though I do understand that the solution is not so simple. However, I have very little confidence on non-Sabah politicians using this issue as it is always been to further their own political ambitions, like what Kit is trying to do here. He is more interested in toppling the BN govt than in finding a long term and lasting solution to the problem.
Quite a number of people really know what’s going on
It’s a question of whether there’s a sellout for a song
With political bias on things all along known to be wrong
Let’s hope it’s not too late to keep the citizens strong
(C) Samuel Goh Kim Eng – 220508
http://MotivationInMotion.blogspot.com
Thur. 22nd May 2008.
those sabahans deserve this – they contributed for bn win so they should not complain for the situation they are now in – most poverty state in malaysia …..
maybe kadazan should migrate to sarawak or peninsula for better life (their bumi status sooner will probably no more liao), else they will become minorities with the influx from indon, just like cina overnumber the tibetans…..
Hahaha…sounds like the Rembau Kid talking. Yes, put all the blame on Mahathir, and absolve the current administration. For the past 5 years, what has the Badawi administration done for Sabah, except to remain quiet over the Osu affair, and to allow the Sabahans to keep destroying the environment ?
The only salvation for this country is to boot out the BN.
Parliament is, for the opposition, a closed avenue. What with Parliamentary Speakers who will not allow them to voice their views, no matter how valid and/or urgent these may be.
That’s how issues continue to snowball until our country is what it is today.
What’s happening to Uncle YB page, this is the lowest online ppl. I’ve seen after the tsunami.
Rumour said Uncle YB been sabotage by eggs, is that true incidents?
Let me lay out my cards here. I know far more than YB Kit about the issue of Sabah’s illegal immigrants. This is far more serious and a lot complex than Kit thinks. What Kit has mentioned is a very superficial view of a very messy issue.[Killer]
The wiser a person gets, the more one found that he’s unwise. Someone claims that the situation is far more serious and a lot complex but yet not doing anything at all.
What goes around comes around. Killer, please answer the following question:
“What you did about the problem? Did you bring it up to the parliament? Did you table any motion? Did you pursue the problem doggedly and vigorously after that?”
If your answer is not a resounding “YES”, then go throw yourself down Mount KK (If you are not a Sabahan, which I am very much inclined to think, I will pay you the airfare for that purpose!). YB LKS may not know the detailed problem or issues faced in Sabah, but remember, one doesn’t need to know how to use drugs and personally used it to advocate the need to stop the abuse for the good of all.
And BTW, I don’t care if I am labeled as an UMNO Cybertrooper or even Nazi Storm trooper. I am not ranting or raving here but raising valid points.[Killer]
We don’t care whether YOU CARE whether you are labelled as an UMNO cybertrooper or not, because as far as all are concerned here, what you are doing is of no good to the rakyat at all, PERIOD!
The main villain in this case is none other than Dr M himself and some of the Sabah politicians themselves.Personally I find some of the things that been done are hard to forgive.[Killer]
Go flood his blog and something more useful then.
However, I have very little confidence on non-Sabah politicians using this issue as it is always been to further their own political ambitions, like what Kit is trying to do here. He is more interested in toppling the BN govt than in finding a long term and lasting solution to the problem.[Killer]
YB LKS is furthering my ambition too, YES, toppling the Bo Nao governtment! Makkal Sakhti!
Mahathir may have been an active participant in what’s wrong with Sabah today, but Badawi just stood by in the past 5 years and watched. Typical Badawi-style excuses as repeated by Killer here: “problem more complex than you think”, “lot of things need to be fixed, not just the immigrant issue”, “solution not so simple”.
Excuse after excuse, despite being in power. Power to do what ? Steal the rakyat blind.
If your UMNO masters can’t solve the problem, PR will gladly give it a try. The rakyat will see to it.
Timing, timing, timing. Uncle Lim, you got it right. Same as what Ghapur says, but his timing was off. This is the right time.
I think Killer must be appreciated.
He offered views which are quite obviously different to those held by visitors who are present here.
Of course, not all his views are well accepted.
Nonetheless, we should sometimes sit and ponder.
Killer said that he has more knowledge about Sabah than uncle lim.
That is a good thing.
Tell us more.
Tell uncle lim.
So that he is better informed than he otherwise would be; and is more equiped to deal with the situation for the good of everyone and the nation.
Killer:
How about making this statement to Kit:
“I am ashamed of what happened to Sabahans under the Mahathir administration and I am ashamed that the current administration did very little to stem the rot.” Boleh ?
Killer,
It is typical of your posterior talking. Now, you claimed you know more than Sdr Kit and that the problems in Sabah is due to (and I quote), “the main villain in this case is none other than Dr M himself and some of the Sabah politicians themselves. Personally I find some of the things that been done are hard to forgive.”
Now, based on what you said, may I know what is wrong with Sdr Lim’s proposed motion? Is he not trying to find out what exactly is happening there? Is he not trying to find out who were culpable, who colluded, and who perpetrated the crimes against the sovereignty of Malaysia and the rights of Sabahans. Since, you know so much, may be once the RCI is formed (that is provided the BN MPs from Sabah can at least stand up for once), you may want to come forward to be the star witness.
The fact that Sdr Lim allowed you to come here to say whatever you want (including wild accusations) is an indication of who he is and what he stands for. You and all the bunkum from BN are nothing when compared with him.
Killer wrote:
“I know far more than YB Kit about the issue of Sabah’s illegal immigrants.”
Killer,
You claim to know a lot of things.
About Penang and Sabah socio-political situations, about the welfare of the Indian community, heck even about the quality of life in Singapore. On top of that, you claim to spend a significant amount of time helping the Indian community and spending almost half your time in Singapore.
However, when I tested you with questions regarding certain matters concerning Singapore, it turns out you know particularly zilch about them.
It does not engender much confidence in the rest of the folks here if you are exposed for being an ignoramus in one area that you claim to know a lot about (i.e. singapore matters), it’s very likely that you are blowing hot air for other matters that you so proudly claim to be knowledgable about.
Godfather, please don’t your time. Just ask him go fly kite.
Let’s engage him even more, to show that we are transparent. We tell the truth, so there is no need to lie or spin as we can always remember the truth. They tell lies all the time, which they can’t remember, so they need to continuously spin. Hence their “do-or-die” control of the mainstream press.
Killer,
Since you claim to know more tha Kit with regards to the Sabah illegal immigrant problem, put it in words here.
Typical UMNOputra – plenty of claims and boasts but totally unfounded and certainly no positive action.
Godfather,
I certainly want to Killer to be engaged here.
He makes a lot of claims and boasts of being more knowledgable than the riff-raff in this blog.
Hence, I am challenging him to provide evidence in words in this very blog pertaining to his claim that he has intimate knowledge of the current illegal immigrant problem in Sabah and that he knows more than Kit about this matter.
This ‘killer’ always claim he/ she has more knowledges on just topics from AA to ZZ, but just won’t tell !
One fact, He /she is very good at twisting & turning facts, others’ opinions, viewpoints, comments etc.
Nevertheless, sometime (10% or less) he/she does provide some good viewpoints.
What if oneday, PR ruled Malaysia, can the next Malaysia PM vowed to defend the right for Malaysian Females? not Malay or non Malay females.
“This ‘killer’ always claim he/ she has more knowledges on just topics from AA to ZZ, but just won’t tell !
One fact, He /she is very good at twisting & turning facts, others’ opinions, viewpoints, comments etc.
Nevertheless, sometime (10% or less) he/she does provide some good viewpoints.”
Whatever he’s saying as long as it is not based on current e.g. comparing the past, i would treat it as b…sht.
We have monkey in the Parliament and we have Killer in the cyberhouse to entertain us!!! Relak aje!!! Dont be so serious with what he said, but he should not defame any one else!!!
ichk,
it is true, “killer” knows more than us because he is working in the ministry. He is not cyber trooper, that is too low a position for him. He is very well connected too.
Because he is posting in YB Lim KS’s blog, he sometimes said one or two positive points about YB Lim and YB LGE. But the next instant he turned and struck.
But as long as he is decent, welcome him. At least we know the mentality from the other side.
oknyua,
It does not matter what Killer’s status or true role is.
All that matter is this – prove his claims otherwise we take it as a lot of hot air.
Chandra is not the only despicable person in the present political scenario. Today we have 2 new persons to add to the list and also 2 organisations.
PAS and PKR are the organisations and Nik Aziz and Azizah are the new individuals!
The people who voted PRakyat have been sold out by PAS, Nik Aziz and also by PKR and Azizah. Now PAS is talking about “malay interest’ and Nik Aziz and Azizah are offering mahathir to join them. ‘The door is wide open to him’ …..ha!
The people who voted PRakyat have been sold out by PAS, Nik Aziz and also by PKR and Azizah. Now PAS is talking about “malay interest’ and Nik Aziz and Azizah are offering mahathir to join them. ‘The door is wide open to him’ …..ha! [Novice101]
The invitation is meant to be an insult. Duhh..
Just stand aside and watch the show unfolding. See the endless shadow play of the directionless characters.
mahathir is laughing in his heart at the gutless AAB. When they meet in Japan he will be wearing the despicable smile. After the meeting he will be poring scorn at malleable AAB.
YB Kit,
Ignore the joker called Killer. It is clear he is an Umnoputra aiming to create havoc on your blog. He not only slanders you, but was also trying to say bad things about RPK. A look at all his posts will indicate that his intentions are anything except decent.
I wouldn’t bother about letting such a joker make posts on your site. Just remove his id. If he creates another one, remove that too.
There is NO POINT playing a fair game with dirty players hiding in the dark. Let him come out into the open if he really wants to put forward his point. Save your time for better things.
Thanks.
LKS deft move in this RCI motion is much to be admired, and I have likened it to forging in the process of being sidelined off the NEP. Look at AAB, an NEP beneficiary, he should have long ago anticipated this move and should have cushioned it a bit.
Admiration aside, I wonder if commentators really know what iis at stake in the illegal migrant constant tide. Look, we are all just peeking at the tip of the berg. The big picture is there, quite obvious and it needs protection at ALL cost, for it must achieve its aim.
“The invitation is meant to be an insult. Duhh..”
u never know mahathir, what happen if he has the cheek to sign up in jest , what would anwar say ? he oledi made a lot empty promises, so he not such much like aab anyway….. but najob is worse among the 2 ….. everything he involved sure got ppl die one ….
Why Sabahan and Sarawakian paying higher premium for everything? their newspaper is much costlier than Peninsula, but how come most of the timbers used to make these papers are produced there. Aren’t the BN govt. robbing them?
“Let me lay out my cards here. I know far more than YB Kit about the issue of Sabah’s illegal immigrants. This is far more serious and a lot complex than Kit thinks. What Kit has mentioned is a very superficial view of a very messy issue….. The main villain in this case is none other than Dr M himself and some of the Sabah politicians themselves. [Killer].”
No. TDM is not the villian; he is no more but a career or part messenger of the whole game plan. So I do not thing Killer know more than LKS, even if Killer is one of those who wrote their degrees thesis based on part Sabah Illegal Populace.
The root cause lies with man’s obsession of religion; when this obsession is translated into a need to complete the ‘base’, obviously the far flung islands of the far east is the best suited for such ‘base’. I bet Killer missed this..
Yo people, I agree with Godfather. Let’s engage KILLER. I know I did tell him sometime ago to go kiss ass on the blogs of Ali Rasuah, Toyol and Mud Tahi. But now, I think the more he writes, the more we get to understand their brand of twisted logic, half-truths and blatant lies. I for one am enjoying reading all the gory details of the sins of BN. Go Killer, go…but don’t get your head stuck up your boss’s posterior orifice, though.
Just stand aside and watch the show unfolding. See the endless shadow play of the directionless characters.
mahathir is laughing in his heart at the gutless, spineless AAB. When they meet in Japan he will be wearing the despicable smile. After the meeting he will be pouring scorn at malleable AAB.
Did any earth shaterring event occur after he resigned? It is already 2 days – it must disappoint him to no end. He thought there will be an exodus, so the majority of the people is right, mahathirism is dead.
He knew that he and AAB will be going to Japan. He made the move because he knows the spineless lot will ask to meet him there. Now, he will have even more scorn and disrespect for this lot.
As to najid, what else can you expect from him. Isn’t this his normal behavior. Hadn’t he stood with Ku Li and Musa Hitan till the last minute and then switched to mahathir’s side. Remember? Remember?
Chandra is not the only despicable person in the present political scenario. Today we have 2 new persons to add to the list and also 2 organisations.
PAS and PKR are the organisations and Nik Aziz and Azizah are the new individuals!
The people who voted PRakyat have been sold out by PAS, Nik Aziz and also by PKR and Azizah. Now PAS is talking about “malay interest’ and Nik Aziz and Azizah are offering mahathir to join them. ‘The door is wide open to him’ …..ha!
“We are not in the business of cheating the people.” AAB, 2005
A response to killer, from a famous quote:
“do not ask what other people can do or offer you, ask yourself how would you offer to the state of Sabah”
wouldn’t it unfair by simply pointing your fingers at kit?
I think anyone with a knowledge of what happened to Anwar over the past 10 years will know that his wife is merely poking fun at TDM.
TDM deserves the humiliation he is getting, seeing that no one significant is following in his quit move.
Well…I can’t be KJ or an Umno member lah…fortunately or unfortunately my religion and race disqualify me.
I hope some of you here could also direct me to those UMNO folks in charge of Cyber Warfare. I heard (from here also) that the job of the Cyber Trooper is a well-paid one (Rm 2k for a few hours worth of blogging/posting).
YB Kit,
You looked great officiating the Pesta Kaamatan (Harvest Festival) at the Tg Aru Plaza. It would have been more complete if you were adorned with the sigar (native headgear).
If there is an open contest for Huguon Siou (paramount chief of the Kadazandusun Murut), I bet my money on you cos Pairin had lost his stature in the community. You are more vocal and effective than Pairin. Even his own power base are disillusioned with him.
The first Huguon Siou was Donald Stephen who later became Stephen Fuad. He was only half native. Pairin’s wife is Chinese.
From conversations, the KDMs (kadazanDusunMurut) hold you in high esteem as a fearless defender of social justice.
Dear Killer,
You are too naive (I do not want to use a harsh word) and at the same time too proud to accept the truth. One does not blame the opposition for not taking care of the Sabahans. It is the duty of the Sabah people, the Sabah politicians and the UMNO led government the Sabahans voted in and are still supporting, to start the move to solve the problem.
Many of us in this blog, (residing in W. Malaysia-including myself) have raised the issue of Sabah many times, but that is so much we can do.
Since you know Sabah so well; why not work towards making your Sabah MP’s to join PR. Start a “peoples movement”, then just blaming Saudara Kit.
And I feel the word “Kid” was uncalled for.
Dear Dapsters
Let’s talk about Sabah. Obviously I have no confidential information that I can share with Kit or with the folks here. Even if I have I would be complete moron to divulge it in an open forum (especially in this open forum).
My knowledge comes from spending my time in Sabah as well as having friends and staff from that state. I also have family members living there for many years now. So you don’t have to work for the SB or Home Ministry to know what had happened in Sabah.
Since AAB became PM, the calls by Sabahans to reverse the excesses of Dr M’s rule became louder as their frustrations boiled over. Some of the Sabah ministers (both state and cabinet levels) made their point rather forcefully to AAB. To be fair to AAB he did initiate some actions (go and read the papers or surf the net for the details) but I don’t think the problems were really solved. As I had said the issue is complex and there are no easy solutions.
But by calling for the RIC, Kit is more interested in indulging on a witch-hunt rather than solving the real issue. The real and urgent issue is solving the problem of illegal immigrants. The RIC is a secondary issue that can wait.
That’s why I am questioning Kit’s sincerity in tabling this motion. If he has Sabah and Sabahan at heart, he would be asking for actions on illegal immigrants and NOT calling for a RIC. So that’s why I am saying Kit is just another politician taking Sabahans for a ride.
Could you please enlighten everyone of us what kind of actions you had in mind beside establishing Royal Commission of Inquiry? Sending the current batch of illegal immigrants back to their own country and expecting another batch to arrive?
Dont try to shield away the mess Umno created in Sabah and accussing someone who wanted to help the Sabahans as a political ploy.
Who said there were illegal immigrants in Sabah??? there’s no more illegals in Sabah!!! as all have been legitimately made legal residents of Malaysia by now as BN govn. had all the time i.e. 30 years to legalise them from the time LKS brought up the issue!!! Even a child borned 30 years old would be 30 years old by now and they will vote for UMNO as UMNO let them in and made them the Citizens of Malaysia. No wonder Sabah is under BN control even when political Tsunami swept through Malaysia!!!
For any defender of UMNO/BN’s political interest, Kit’s asking for actions on illegal immigrants and NOT calling for a RIC is a preferred option because, as I said earlier, calling for a RIC could destabilise UMNO/BN’s government and control of the Dewan Rakyat….
“Even a child borned 30 years old would be 30 years old by now” should be a child borned 30 years ago
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Child, tightly grab mommy’s hand
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Dear Jeffrey
I see what you are saying though you are being polite as usual.
Perhaps you are confused. For someone who really has the interest of Sabab in his/her heart would rather fix the problem first than spend time and resources on fixing the people.
I don’t represent BN/UMNO so I can’t speak for them but personally I have no problem with RIC. But that something that we can afford to wait.
However, my point here is NOT whether RIC is needed or otherwise. What I am saying here is I very much doubt Kit really wants to see the problem fixed and help Sabah. I think he is using the opportunity to topple the Federal govt. This is my reading of the situation.
Unless all Sabahan have come to see the excessess of Putrajaya, they would accept attap house as laxury!!! so why want to change BN govn when they still enjoy the cowboy towns!!!
It is kind of strange to see so many people suddenly developed an extreme concern for Sabah and bleeding their hearts for them.
Reminds me of the phrase, “crocodile tears”.
Killer wrote:
“Let’s talk about Sabah. Obviously I have no confidential information that I can share with Kit or with the folks here. Even if I have I would be complete moron to divulge it in an open forum (especially in this open forum).”
Then don’t make unsubstantiated claims in a publicly accessible blog if you can’t prove them. Nobody is going to be That makes you to the complete MORON if you can’t back up your words with facts.
Anyone can claim anything by posting some words in cyberspace and hiding behind an anoymous nick.
Killer,
You FALSELY accused Kit of not bringing up the issue of illegal immigrants in Sabah in the past.
Which has been proven false as highlighted by Kit himself.
You just blew your own credibility out of the water.
Well, this Killer is just talking out of his rear.
Says he has info but could not divulge it in public forum.
Then says that there are so much info out there but then ask people to go look it up themselves online.
Final verdict: No info. Just BS.
A person who only knows how to tell other people to take quick action but then do not offer any suggestions as to how to do it. Frankly, do you even know how to fix this problem? It is not as easy as going into Sabah, take a mop and mop the place clean. PR is not like BN who breaks the rules to get what they want.
Although PR is eager to help out the people in Sabah, there are so many hurdles to overcome and of course these hurdles are set up none other than BN themselves. PR is not a party which breaks laws just to get what they want although it would be for a good cause. That is what separates PR from BN. That is why the people support PR and not BN.
If this simple reasoning can not get through your thick skull, I would suggest that you read more to expand your knowledge and analytical skills.
You may be a bleeding BN goon or you may be a truly concerned for Sabah but from what you have just wrote, it just makes you look bad to the bone.
“I think Kit is using this opportunity to topple the federal government.”
And so it shall be because of plenty of excuses for the past 5 years. Nothing got done through sheer incompetence. The typical excuse is that Sleepy Head needs more time, problems more complex than people thought. Mission unaccomplished, and hence needs more time ? And what was the mission ? Theft of public funds, whether it is Sabah, Sarawak or Peninsular Malaysia.
What I am saying here is I very much doubt Kit really wants to see the problem fixed and help Sabah. Killer
Ok assuming your are right for a second! What should we do with regard to Sabah? It is ok, you can assume that all of us here are oozing crocodile tears; only your tears are genuine. So please tell us what you ought to do to correct the situation in Sabah.
Politics is about opportunity. Even Sdr Lim is an opportunist, he is so for a worthy reason. When UMNO held absolute power, you would probably say there was nothing much we can do. Now that we have a window of opportunity to do something, you would accuse Sdr Lim for being an opportunist. Look, even if you are not a BN cybertrooper, you appear to be someone who just want to show off your intellectual prowess when in actual you have nothing in your head.
So,Jeffrey, are you saying that this young upstart from Rembau masquerading as the Killer is in fact trying to protect his own political fortune which is fast fading when he questioned YB Kit’s sincerity cos should YB succeed in his proposal in establishing a RCI on the immigrant problem it would also give rise to a prelude to a motion of no confidence on the present BN government? This would be the final nail driven into the BN coffin and your theory on the pincer movement closing in for the kill will be vindicated!
What should be done about Sabah’s problems ? How the hell would I know ? I am just a common man.
I am neither a MP or a public servant to try to solve the problem of Sabah. That’s why we elect a govt every 5 years to represent us and to solve the problems that facing the nation.
And if you want to know more about the problem and background, just “google” it my friends.
A common man, here to pour scorn on Opposition initiatives ? Not being paid to do this ? Wow, you must be the ideal BN supporter.
how’s the Bentley, Killer ?
A RIC will serve firstly as an official basis to allocate resources, and secondly to ensure these resource allocations are not seen as a partisan effort. For a complex and monumental issue as the illegal migrant is for Sabah and for Malaysian in general, the RIC is very much required to light up the issues beyond the eye and grasp some of the specifics. Many laymen benefited from reading the IPMC, leading to a much knowledgeable public now because IPMC brings about many specifics for which the general public could not even imagine.
The importance of the RIC cannot be missed for the love of saying do something first before shouting about setting an RIC. Many of you may not be aware the many official stands Sabahan organizations have had on this matter, but they have all been ignored.
LKS intention on this RIC is very clear based on the principles and precedents LKS has set all these while. And unless there is someone else as principled as LKS has been this while, we will have to take his sincerity on this issue.
Do we need to waste our precious time and reply this stupid moron called Killer?
Killer is an airhead!
This blog entry seems to be dedicated to one idiotic commoner called killer. You guys give him too much credit than he deserves.
What a waste of time on a born-loser. Complaints and fault-finding are a born-loser’s forte. Ignorance is his middle name.
YB Kit’s small spark can start a wildfire.
The guy who nigglingly picked at somebody but he himself could not come out with an alternative solution. What a farce. Umnoputra have just hit another low-point in talking common sense :mrgreen:
Go into Wikipedia website and type “Project IC”. See for yourself how serious this problem is.
If BN MPs do not vote for motion, the most severe punishment will fall upon them comes next GE. Mark my words.
Killer – “…..That’s why we elect a govt every 5 years to represent us and to solve the problems that facing the nation”.
Then why do you $%&£* question YB Kit Siang, who is not in the elected Government, yet? Its obvious you do not read what you write. You shoot off your mouth before your head registers. Typical!! Like it has been said earlier, you are just a waste of time and space. Berambus!!
Kudos to YB Kit Siang for venturing where no one dared.
Dear cvl…you are the only one who interested in discussing the issue in a rational manner. The rest are only interested in shouting me down and indulge in name-calling.
I can appreciate your points about the RIC, some solid arguments. However, my point is that unlike the case of Lingham tape, this issue is very much more complicated and wider in scope. What is more urgently needed is to stem the tide and clean up the illegals already in the state.
You might or might not know, that there has been already a number of investigations done by commissions, Suhakam and the police. As such, the need for RIC is not critical at this juncture. Talk to Sabahans and the last thing they want is yet another body to conduct yet another inquiry. They just want the problem fixed.
No, unlike you Kit never really pursued the issue other than making some generic anti-BN speech. I can see from his speech that he is unaware of the magnitude of the problem (pls read his speech again). He is just an opportunist politician out to exploit the situation for political expediency just like the Political Transformer aka Anwar Ibrahim.
While I would not claim I have in possession some confidential info, I am certainly more knowledgeable about this issue than Kit or any others who have posted here so far. Of course some of these info are not in public domain and I would not want to share it here as I have no means to back it up by quoting an independent source.
///You might or might not know, that there has been already a number of investigations done by commissions, Suhakam and the police. As such, the need for RIC is not critical at this juncture./// —Killer
Without the Royal Commission to examine Lingam tape, the AG would not have ordered investigation against the named personalities.
There might be investigations done and report produced on illegal immigrants in Sabah, but illegals remain, and new ones are still coming in. So contrary to what is said, Royal Commission on the unnatural increase in the population is important to get the government to act. It is critical at all time for the past 30 years.
The government must have acted as the Deputy speaker of the parliament has rejected discussion on the topic. That is part of ethnic cleansing effort started with TDM. It meets the objective of UMNO.
Vidya Young Says:
Today at 21: 44.24 (36 minutes ago)
Then why do you $%&£* question YB Kit Siang, who is not in the elected Government, yet? Its obvious you do not read what you write. You shoot off your mouth before your head registers. Typical!! Like it has been said earlier, you are just a waste of time and space. Berambus!!
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Are you suggesting that Kit is beyond questioning ? Are you saying I shouldnt criticise him ?
I see that you are yet another of those proverbial frogs who seems to crowd this blog, so let me make this very clear.
He is an elected MP who is PAID by rakyat. I pay his salary and I expect him to be ACCOUNTABLE and ANSWERABLE.
Killer posted:
“Dear cvl…you are the only one who interested in discussing the issue in a rational manner.”
Rational manners from you?
Care to explain the FALSE ACCUSATION you made of Kit by stating that he is only looking into the matter of illegal immigrants in Sabah now and not in the past?
Care to explain why you insulted Kit by calling him Kid?
The hypocrisy of UMNOputra wannabes never cease to disgust me…
Killer posted:
“I am certainly more knowledgeable about this issue than Kit or any others who have posted here so far. Of course some of these info are not in public domain and I would not want to share it here as I have no means to back it up by quoting an independent source.”
You also claim to be very knowledgable about Singapore too, to the extent of equating an average Malaysian’s quality of life with the average Singaporean.
So much for your knowledge – if you can’t prove it, it’s a load of bunkum.
Killer, look for the wooden stump in the eyes of TDM and AAB (and all the Sabah Ministers) before you look for the splinter in YB Kit’s. If your concerns are far more genuine, pray do tell this proverbial frog – what have you, “the holier-than-thou” done about Sabah’s issue? Not as a politician, but as a citizen?
BTW, YB Kit alone does not make the Cabinet. Go raise your grouse with the gall-less Sabah MPs.
“That’s why I am questioning Kit’s sincerity in tabling this motion. If he has Sabah and Sabahan at heart, he would be asking for actions on illegal immigrants and NOT calling for a RIC. So that’s why I am saying Kit is just another politician taking Sabahans for a ride.” killer
We’d be less than honest not admit to the political impact of a Royal Commission of Inquiry has.
Let’s just say that Kit like many other opposition politicians in stopping illegal immigrants from voting at elections has a political interest in Sabah.
Even in advance countries like the United States voter fraud is still a serious issue. It could come in many forms. Illegal aliens used to be able to vote by just showing their driving licenses to officials manning the booths. In Malaysia the extent of fraud is more serious as it leads to the highest levels of government.
“He is an elected MP who is PAID by rakyat. I pay his salary and I expect him to be ACCOUNTABLE and ANSWERABLE.” K I L L E R
Do you expect the same of your bosses in UMNO ? Don’t have double standards. We have been paying the den of thieves for 50 years, and we are still pay for our sins.
…we are still paying for our sins….
Killer says: “But by calling for the RIC, Kit is more interested in indulging on a witch-hunt rather than solving the real issue. The real and urgent issue is solving the problem of illegal immigrants.
As you have mentioned, LKS doesn’t really know the real situation on the ground in Sabah. Second PR is not the government and is in no position to propose any detailed plans.
Therefore ANY concrete plans that you seem to be asking LKS to provide SHOULD actually be coming from the Sabah MP’s and government. They are the ones in power and they are the ones who are supposed to know what is happening in their own state.
Since that obviously is NOT happening, therefore calling for an RIC is the next best solution, unless you personally want to make LKS the CM of Sabah and replace the BN government with PR. An RIC will be independant and will bring to light the root cause of the problem and propose appropriate actions to tackle the problem. You yourself claimed that the problem was complex, therefore isn’t an RIC then suitable to properly and objectively investigate the problem? Rather then a BN led ‘solution’ which will undoubtedly only be to further their own interests?
Therefore isn’t an RIC the FIRST step to solving the problem? Of course we wouldn’t need the RIC if the Sabah government can today propose a concrete plan the solve the problem.
“For someone who really has the interest of Sabab in his/her heart would rather fix the problem first than spend time and resources on fixing the people.”
But what is the root cause of the problem? Isn’t a LARGE part of the problem the PEOPLE running the whole sham in the first place? If its not the people then just what do you want fixed? Fixing the people is part of fixing the problem. In fact, thats probably the MOST important part of the problem.
But of course that’s not the real point right? Your gripe is that LKS is only using the issue for political reasons and not interested in solving the problem.
But if the RIC is a first step in solving the problem, then how is LKS NOT solving the problem by calling for an RIC?
Therefore, your gripe boils down to: LKS is only taking advantage of the situation for political reasons and he actually doesn’t care for Sabahans. Duuuhhh!!! Do you think people like AAB and Najib and even Dr. M CARES about you? Are you naive? Their various programs are also politically motivated. I don’t need an MP that is ‘sincere’ and ‘cares’ deeply for me but cannot solve the problem.
You yourself have answered why what MP’s are for:
” That’s why we elect a govt every 5 years to represent us and to solve the problems that facing the nation.”
So again i reiterate, why bother debating if it is politically motivated?
“This blog entry seems to be dedicated to one idiotic commoner called killer. You guys give him too much credit than he deserves.” killer
I believe this blog is set up to generate a discussion of the issues raised by the blogger.
No opinion is stupid however diametrically opposed to yours. Opinions are just that – opinions.
We do not take kindly to any attempt by the BN run government to stifle political dissent through the use of legislation. We take to the streets to prove our point. And yet when someone expresses his opinion on the issues, we ask that he shut up or worse leave the blog or be booted out!
Could this be a glimpse of things to come when PR takes over the government?
It is fair that only seditious comments be deleted but deleted only because it could land the blogger into legal and political trouble with the authorities – not for any other reason.
This blog would be the poorer if we do not welcome diverse opinions on the issues. Imagine how dull the blog would be if the likes of limkamput and killer and shamshul annuar are not allowed to express their opinions. Limkamput is at his best (minus his tendencies to go ‘un-civil’ with his comments the moment somebody does) when he challenges others to prove him wrong. Lately he has become very docile.
What we read today mostly are shades of the same opinion. How boring! Surely someone somewhere has a different opinion.
Imagine if Kit were to one day be the Prime Minister. Imagine if he is surrounded by a group of “Yes” men. That would be a great disservice to him and to the country. Surely he cannot be doing everything right! I believe he’d be the first to appreciate the honesty and the courage shown by members of his inner cabinet in standing up to him and say he’s wrong on an issue.
That was what must have happened to Mahathir when he was Prime Minister. He got to hear what others thought he wanted to hear and not what he needed to hear. Some close aide must have whispered to him that he was right, that Malaysia is an Islamic state!
ooops that apparently was not by “killer”. LOL.
Actually, KILLER’s logic is a good way to keeping out of trouble and we can learn something from Killer afterall. See, on Malaysian Death Camps, basically his arguement was, ‘enquiry, enquiry, enquiry’ first BEFORE taking a drastic (and, in his view, nonsensical) move to shut down the program. Almost all of the rest of us said, after 21 deaths, ‘enough is enough, SHUT DOWN NOW, then enquire all you want!’
On Sabah, Killer is saying, ‘RCI not neccessary, let gomen do what they ARE already doing to solve this’ despite it being already a decades old issue, and no solution has been forthcoming from the gomen. The rest of the majority (including quite a number of our Sabah brethren) on these threads are saying, ‘Kit’s RCI is the way to go to finally nail the problem, forcing the Sabah MP’s to do what they must to stop the rot at home.’
Thank you, Killer, I will henceforth apply this strategy of yours at work. Like this, can avoid any sort of responsibility, not have to assume any do any work beyond the immediate ‘must do, otherwise sure die’ and not have to commit to any position AND STILL come out totally unscathed. Wonderful!
Is there a Sun Tzu somewhere in Killer’s strategy?
Frankly, as I understand it from all the opinions expressed,
Kit’s RCI would while it brought the issue out into the open (just like Lingamgate) for all the nation to understand and register, it could well also tear BN assunder and, as KILLER said, ‘topple the gomen.’
I don’t mind either or both really!
The one thing which I totally agree with Killer is that TDM is the person responsible for the state of the illegal immigrants BTW the majority of them are now legal with Mycards. If TDM made is career in Chess, he would be a grandmaster or if he were in US he would be the director of the CIA. This cunning strategist with his undercover operatives in the Sabah government slice and mould current Sabah situation into such a state regarding the illegal immigrants that it is virtually impossible to solve as the figure is not tens of thousands but hundreds of thousands to a million.
If Mahathir were to be in the US, he would already be in jail for crimes against humanity.
“If TDM made is career in Chess, he would be a grandmaster or if he were in US he would be the director of the CIA.” year of snake
If he were a chess player, he would try to deceive you into thinking he has a attack up his sleeve when in actual fact he has no clue as to what is happening! Then if it were a touch-move 2 min-game, he would say you touch your piece when you didn’t. If everything else fails he would say he could triple fork your piece!
That’s Mahathir. Fortunately he doesn’t know how to play chess.
“If Mahathir were to be in the US, he would already be in jail for crimes against humanity.” GODFATHER
He would first ask the U.S. Attorney General how he got his law license before claiming diplomatic immunity.
Mahathir will be too proud to claim diplomatic immunity. His style is typically “Make My Day”.
“Killer Says:
Yesterday at 19: 01.51
What should be done about Sabah’s problems ? How the hell would I know ? I am just a common man.
I am neither a MP or a public servant to try to solve the problem of Sabah. That’s why we elect a govt every 5 years to represent us and to solve the problems that facing the nation.
And if you want to know more about the problem and background, just “google” it my friends.”
since you feel something need to be changed and some other person has “failed” to change it, pls devote yourself onto the field and change it. no point sitting on the fence and putting blame on people.
Undergrad2,
I think we must hold true to what we believe. If we agree with an issue, we agree. If we disagree, then we disagree. To say that we all think alike on the illegal immigrants issue is not fair. It is obviously clear to most that the problem in Sabah needs resolution fast, one way or another. Killer is just talking nonsense, paid for by vested interest groups perhaps.
Please don’t say we are mere “yes men” to Sdr Kit. I hope you have read my posts with regard to election of deputy speakers and how at least 17 PK MPs have shown to be bodoh sombong. I took off my glove, you remember? And I am still waiting for the declaration of assets by all the PK controlled states. Why still nothing happen? Do they need Federation Government approval for doing that? One more, if you want to read the stupid statements made by Elizabeth Wong, the State Exco for Environment of Selangor, please go here: limkamput – nincompoop.blogspot.com
“Please don’t say we are mere “yes men” to Sdr Kit.” limkamput
Let’s not mislead readers into thinking that I did.
The point I was making was Kit would not be pleased to have “Yes” men around him. I believe one of his aims in providing this platform was to get some feedback from his constituents and followers and supporters including those who disagree with him on the issues.
perhaps I should say “would not be happy to be surrounded by “Yes” men who disagree with him on the issues but merely make comments solely to please”.
“Even Sdr Lim is an opportunist…” linkamput
waaah! yb kit is an opportunist?? this is a derogatory word to use ‘cos it suggests he has no principles!
bernadette, please read in context. What i meant was even if Sdr Lim is an opportunist, it is for a worthy cause. I missed the word “if” there. Sorry.