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Call on AG to agree to bail for 31 Hindraf protestors – emergency debate in Parliament on Monday

I have this morning given notice to the Parliament Speaker, Tan Sri Ramli Ngah, to move an emergency motion on Monday on the allegation by the Inspector-General of Police, Tan Sri Musa Hassan, that Hindraf is linked to terrorists and is canvassing for support from terrorist groups.

It will be Malaysia’s misfortune and tragedy if the government’s sole concern is to indiscriminately demonise the Hindraf leaders over their allegations of “ethnic cleansing” and genocide of Indians in Malaysia which were not the reasons for the 30,000-strong Hindraf demonstration in Kuala Lumpur on November 25 and use them as excuses to completely disregard the legitimate grievances of two million Malaysian Indians at their long-standing marginalization as Malaysian citizens.

I am shocked at the Attorney-General’s role in the escalation of such “denial-and reprisal” response — belatedly charging 31 Hindraf protestors for the capital offense of attempted murder of a cop and objecting to any grant of bail, resulting for all intent and purpose of their being immediately jailed in Sungai Buloh prison indefinitely for months on end until the end of the trial.

If this is not a travesty of justice, I do not know what is!

Tan Sri Gani Patail must know that as Attorney-General, he is the chief legal officer not only of the government but for all 27 million Malaysians and he must not act in any vengeful, vindictive or bullying manner — something which he seemed to have forgotten in the past two days in his appearance in court over the prosecution of the Hindraf protestors.

I urge him to reconsider his objections to the granting of bail to the 31 protestors and to agree to their release on bail pending trial and to take the personal initiative to submit such an application to the court — or he will be doing a great injustice and disservice not only to the public image of the Attorney-General’s Chambers, but to popular support for the Barisan Nasional government.

My urgent motion for an emergency parliamentary debate on the IGP’s allegation of terrorist links of Hindraf is as follows:

“That the House gives leave to Ketua Pembangkang YB Lim Kit Siang to adjourn the House under S.O. 18 (1) to discuss a definite matter of urgent public importance — the allegation by the Inspector-General of Police Tan Sri Musa Hassan that Hindraf is linked to terrorists and that Hindraf is actively canvassing for support and assistance from terrorist groups.

“The IGP alleged on Thursday that Hindraf had given a twisted and distorted picture to the international community on the status of Indians in Malaysia, but is the police chief committing the same offence in giving a twisted and distorted picture of Hindraf with its allegation about its terrorist links without furnishing any supporting evidence?

“The IGP’s allegation of Hindraf’s terrorist links without any evidence whatsoever is a matter of grave national concern as it marks the escalation of the hardline denial-and-retaliation response of the authorities to the 30,000-strong Hindraf demonstration in Kuala Lumpur on Nov. 25 as a cry of desperation for justice by two million Malaysian Indians for an end to their long-standing marginalization whether political, economic, educational, social, cultural or religious.

“Criticism of Hindraf allegations of “ethnic cleansing” and genocide of Indians in Malaysia cannot be excuse or justification for the denial-and-retaliation response of the authorities, refusing to heed the cry of desperation by two million peace-loving and law-abiding Malaysian Indians for a New Deal to end their long-standing marginalization as equal Malaysian citizens or to make unsubstantiated allegations of terrorist links against Hindraf or for the harsh and belated decision by the Attorney-General to charge 31 Hindraf protestors for the capital offence of attempted murder of a policeman and objecting to the granting of bail resulting in their being held in custody in Sungai Buloh Prison indefinitely for months until the end of their trial.”¬ù

I call on MIC President and Works Minister, Datuk Seri Samy Vellu as well as all other MIC members of the administration, whether deputy minister, parliamentary secretary or Member of Parliament, to signal their support for such an emergency parliamentary debate on Monday.

97 Replies to “Call on AG to agree to bail for 31 Hindraf protestors – emergency debate in Parliament on Monday”

  1. What will they think of next:
    1. The hated Jewish Zionists met Hindraf leaders in London and gave them 100 million dollars for their cause.
    2. Tamil Tigers training Hindraf fighters in Sri Lanka.
    3. Hidraf manufactures syabu in big lab in rubber plantation to fund their cause.

  3. Hindraf are charged for attempted murder – 26 attempting to kill 1 miserable guy????? How stupid a charge!!!
    Now HINDRAF are linked to terrorist??? Hoi, what else????
    Serious la!!!! Did the police inform the CIA ??? Even CIA is not aware , but our ‘super efficient’ polis sudah tahu la!!!!

  4. This is what the people will get if we go against the gov.! They can create a “wayang kulit’ show to oppressed and deceived the people. A diplomat has already mentioned that we are now living in a state of emergency but soon we will all live in a state of anarchy. What can we do? We are just barking into a brick wall !!

  7. HINDRAF seeking REDRESS or TERRORIST FUND..???

    do we get the FACT wrong or the Police twist the stories as they wish… and PK Guny seems to be another Amat Fei-lou… this time maybe arrange by Semi to ensure Hindraf get it..!

  8. New mutation of Sri Lanka Tamil Tiger to ‘Malaysia
    Tamil Tiger/Tiger’ Terrorist organization…!!!
    The show has just begun and we shall sit quietly and watch
    for more excitements and action-packed scenes…!!

    It is 007 Jame Bond movie on show…. man!!!

  9. Sdr LKS, you make so much effort to prepare and highlight so may issues in and out of parliament but yet you do not get the majority support you deserve. For one thing, I never see any DAP representatives going down to the people in the streets, etc. to talk to them. Only sometime during election! At least, not in my area!!

  11. UMNaziO can do whatever they want in Msia. They control everything. The way I see it, if they force Hindraf to a corner, then I hate to be an innocent bystander. I feel Hindraf is made up of very desperate people. Very hungry. Very angry.
    I think they are capable of doing what they are threatening. MIC cannot mobilise 5000 without paying them. But Hindraf had 30K. The situation outside the court was tense and angry.
    I hope the sleeping PM can do the nation a favour and cool down the situation. Whatever means needed. Everybody will be losers if the situation gets out of hand. South Thailand is an example.
    The food in Msia is too good to give up.

  13. We have to publicise this utterly disgraceful case of selective prosecution so that foreign investors know what they are getting themselves into – a country run by a den of thieves who also run the police force, the prosecution, the judiciary and the mainstream press.

    By taking this hard line, the government is clearly marginalising the Indians – something which they (and Semi Value) deny vehemently.

    CAKAP TAK SERUPA BIKIN – That’s the true UMNO way, and they don’t care about issues like transparency, consistency and fairness. All they care about is their right to steal.

  15. Mr.Lim/YB Lim(the real people’s champion),

    Sorry to say this.

    You will never ever get Samy & MIC Mp to support you.Election his very near,all will have scare of losing seat.
    They are in politic to earn Money(sorry to earn BIG MONEY-In INDIA THEY CALL IT BLACK MONEY).

    I feel Shame to call his COWARDS indians.

  17. Hindraf! Hindraf! Hindraf! We seem to be very occupied with Hindraf since 25/11 at least.

    It would seem that the unhappy citizens have hit upon the government’s raw nerve and soft spot and ouch! they are feeling the pain and are panicking. So they are all out to control if not eliminate this Hindraf menace. So there’s is now a concerted effort to neutralise them. As they say, when there is action, there will be a reaction. Expect more repercussions.

    But where is Samy? What will this hero do next?

  18. What will the MIC leadership do on Monday? Well they have to toe the line as otherwise they will have to see the Discipline Master Nah!jib. They have already sold their souls away. Remember Deva-many, the divine repentent, now an obedient servant?

  19. Any reasonable man can see this is real bully and is being watched in full view by the internatinal community. What will be going through their minds to see an elected government carrying out such despicable act on her very own citizens.

    Let it be known, it is our government that is frightening away foreign tourists and investments. I pray this stupendous “bullying show” will not backfire soon.

  20. Bullies are basically cowards……..they only act in numbers, when they have a majority!

    It seems we have quite a number of bullies/cowards who are MPs/Ministers……a government with their influence is bad and destructive – aggression, threat and intimidation are their ways of resolving disputes which are dangerous behaviours in a modern and civilised society.

  22. How can we help the 31 innocent people?

    Think, think, think.

    We need to highlight this issue to the international news network like CNN, BBC, Al Jazeera, etc. We need them to put pressure onto our evil government. Who can do this? Hindraf, Keadilan or DAP should take up this role.

    Hindraf should also report this issue to the COMMONWEALTH, UNITED NATIONS, Organisation of The Islamic Conference (OIC) and Human Rights Watch.

    Ordinary people like us can also do our part by –

    NOT VOTING FOR BN

  23. Attorney-General’s “Denial-and reprisal” response.
    Plus the “travesty of justice”.

    Are they the clear “signs” of what he is made of.

    NEP will always end up promoting people to the level of their incompetency.

  25. Attempted murder? Why press such allegations? Outrageous!

    When pushed to a corner, anyone will fight back cos’ there’s nothing else to lose. The events that have occured prove that the people are ready for a change, a start of a new chapter. This GE won’t be easy for BN. Vote wisely!!

  26. If Zaki is morally unfit to serve in UMNO’s disciplinary board, how could he be considered morally fit to be a federal court judge, not to mention his lightning elevation to the No.2 position, and anticipated imminent rise to the top job in the judiciary?
    http://www.asiasentinel.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=920&Itemid=35
    Zaki also has held directorship in scores of major companies including some of the most well known names such as Berjaya, Metacorp, Pan Global, SP Setia, Malaysia Airports,Hume, Matsushita Electric, Pharmaniaga etc….Such apolitical and business background would already have made him a poor candidate for any judicial appointment, Zaki is battered by yet another serious handicap — the question of his moral integrity arising from his controversial marriage and divorce from his second wife Nor Hayati Yahaya, who was half his age.
    Zaki married Nor Hayati in a ceremony conducted by a minister from Thailand in a textile shop in Perlis in March 2005. They separated three months later. In the messy divorce that ensued, it was revealed that Zaki burned the original marriage certificate to hide the marriage from his first wife. Further, the marriage was ruled by the Syarah court as illegal.

  27. 4.It is alleged by some of these Malaysian Hindu intellectuals that there has been a similar attempt in Malaysia for some years to project as if civilisation and culture came to Malaysia only after Islam came to the country and to deny the impact and role of Hinduism before the advent of Islam. The pre-Islamic role and influence of Hinduism was equally strong in Malaysia and Indonesia. The Indonesian Muslims feel quite comfortable with this influence. They retain the impact of Hinduism and Hindu culture. They have preserved the impact of Ramayana and Mahabharata on their art forms and proudly exhibit them to the foreign tourists. It is a tribute to the tolerance and generosity of the mindset of large sections of the Muslim civil society in Indonesia that Bali has continued to maintain the pristine purity of its Hinduism and that Christians have done well in many walks of the Indonesian society. Of course, there have been instances of shocking brutality against the Chinese, but these were not due to religious reasons. These were due partly to economic jealousies arising from the Chinese dominance of the local economy in certain areas, partly to the past association of the Chinese with the pro-Beijing Indonesian Communist Party and partly to suspicions that many of the Chinese still have extra-territorial loyalty to China.

    5. In contrast to this, in Malaysia one finds that while the impact of contemporary Hindu religion and culture (Bharata Natyam, Tamil films, Tamil language etc) is proudly admitted and even displayed in the promotional films of their Tourism Department, the pre-Islam impact of Hindu religion and culture is sought to be down-played. One finds few references to the Ramayana and Mahabharata traditions, for example. I have heard in seminars attended by me some highly-respected Malay Muslim intellectuals living abroad express their disquiet over the direction Islam is taking in their country. One of the examples cited by them is the down-playing of the pre-Islam Hindu influence. In Malaysia itself, Mr. Anwar Ibrahim, former Deputy Prime Minister, has had the courage to express his disquiet over what he sees as the growing Arabisation of Islam in Malaysia.

    6. It is also alleged that the policy of preferential support to the Bhumiputras (sons of the soil) discriminates not only against Malaysian citizens of Indian and Chinese origin, but also against Bhumiputra Christians. According to the critics, many natives of Malaysia embraced Christianity during the British colonial rule, but they are not doing as well as the Bhumiputra Muslims.
    http://saag.org//papers25/paper2490.html

  28. 6. It is also alleged that the policy of preferential support to the Bhumiputras (sons of the soil) discriminates not only against Malaysian citizens of Indian and Chinese origin, but also against Bhumiputra Christians. According to the critics, many natives of Malaysia embraced Christianity during the British colonial rule, but they are not doing as well as the Bhumiputra Muslims.

    7. The second reason for the anger is seen more amongst Hindu Malaysians in the lower strata of the Hindu society. Their anger arises from frequent instances of demolition of Hindu temples in the plantation areas and elsewhere built by their ancestors. These temples are allegedly demolished on the ground either that they were illegally constructed or that the land on which they were located was required for a public purpose. Their representations against the demolition have reportedly had no effect. More than even the demolition of the temples, what has angered them is the fact that the authorities bulldozed not only the temples, but even the idols of Hindu Gods and Goddesses kept inside, after rejecting their plea to hand them over to them so that they could keep them in their houses or send them to their ancestral villages in Tamil Nadu for re-installation.

    8. The Mariamman tradition is very strong among the sea-faring Tamils. They look upon Goddess Mariamman as their protecting Diety. Tamil fishermen, before they set out to sea, pray to Mariamman. Tamil Hindus, who went to South-East Asia, before the advent of Islam, used to take idols of Mariamman in their boats or ships. Whenever they reached a place, they would instal the idol and build a temple over it. That is why one finds a number of Mariamman temples all over South-East Asia where Tamil Hindus have gone over the course of their history. It is alleged that many of the idols thus bulldozed were of Mariamman brought by their ancestors from their native villages in Tamil Nadu hundreds of years ago.

  31. 5. In contrast to this, in Malaysia one finds that while the impact of contemporary Hindu religion and culture (Bharata Natyam, Tamil films, Tamil language etc) is proudly admitted and even displayed in the promotional films of their Tourism Department, the pre-Islam impact of Hindu religion and culture is sought to be down-played. One finds few references to the Ramayana and Mahabharata traditions, for example. I have heard in seminars attended by me some highly-respected Malay Muslim intellectuals living abroad express their disquiet over the direction Islam is taking in their country. One of the examples cited by them is the down-playing of the pre-Islam Hindu influence. In Malaysia itself, Mr. Anwar Ibrahim, former Deputy Prime Minister, has had the courage to express his disquiet over what he sees as the growing Arabisation of Islam in Malaysia.

  32. Charges on alleged “attempted murder” and now an alleged “terrorism” link? Is this the price one pays for simply asking to be treated fairly, justly, equally, and with respect? Is asking for such rights not consistent with the United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights http://www.un.org/Overview/rights.html, or is it Ketuanan Melayu which is consistent? Is the minority Indian community now facing some form of collective punishment in light of the fact that UMNO’s pride has been hurt?

  33. Is there any one trying to create an entry to “Guinness Book of Records” for the most extraordinary (or spectacular ) way for 31 men (probably unarmed, untrained civilian) to attempt to murder (probably unplan for before hand) a well armed, trained policeman among at least 200 policemen from a distance of at least 30 ft away. Betul ?

  34. Commentary: Is Malaysia going the Sri Lankan way?
    MANIPAL, India, Dec. 5
    M.D. NALAPAT

    Column: Future Present
    Like the Pakistan army, which has jihad as its official motto, the rulers of Malaysia claim to represent the “moderate” face of Islam. However, ever since former Prime Minister Mahathir Mohammad introduced Wahabbism Lite into Malaysia in 1981, the practice of discriminating against all other creeds has evolved.

    Across Malaysia today there is a rolling back of the 2,000-year-old culture of the Malays, brought with the Chola and Srivijaya kings from India. In place of this tolerant and syncretic tradition — which is still strong in neighboring Indonesia despite attacks from cultural extremists — some of the Malaysian leaders have sought to introduce the harsh tones of the Saudi desert and the mindset of the ancient Bedouin, as far as possible in a modern economy.

    The veil and the beard are now ubiquitous throughout Malaysia, with some enclaves already implementing a Wahabbi Lite version of what is wrongly termed “sharia” law, a system of jurisprudence avoided by all but states such as Sudan, Saudi Arabia and Iran.

    Cash and preachers from Saudi Arabia and other countries linked to the Wahabbi International have been allowed to enter Malaysia freely. Politicians from the country’s United Malays National Organization maintain cordial links with the Pakistan army. Mahathir himself even adopted a Pakistani boy.

    Ironically, Mahathir Mohammad’s contribution to the religious radicalization of Malaysia has been covered up by his high-decibel anti-Western rhetoric, which has given him a “nationalist” image. A genuine nationalist would have sought to unify rather than divide Malaysian society. But under Mahathir, Malay Muslims — especially the Wahabbi element — were aggressively favored by the state over the Chinese and the Indians, even those who were themselves Muslim.

    Both the army and the police force have become instruments of Malay privilege. After nearly three decades of state-sanctioned repression, it was no surprise that a group of Malaysian Hindus, who make up 2 million of the country’s population at the bottom of the economic ladder, mustered the courage to stage a peaceful protest against the destruction of several dozen temples by the Malaysian authorities, demolitions conducted for the most part without explanation or compensation.

    The ruling elite has thus far succeeded in keeping the Muslims within the Malaysian Indian community away from the agitation, arguing that the destruction of temples, several of them of historical value, had no effect on them as Muslims. Yet the anger of the Malaysian Indian community is palpable and has not been doused by denunciations from top Malaysian officials, including the regime’s “Indian” face, minister Sami Velu.

    Malaysia’s state-sanctioned policies against ethnic Indians resemble those introduced in the 1950s by Prime Minister Solomon Bandaranaike in Sri Lanka, who made it exceedingly difficult for Sri Lankan Tamils to get a university education or a government job. After more than 16 years of such discrimination, several Tamils embraced the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam and launched a violent struggle that has continued for more than a quarter of a century.

    The dirt-poor, seething Malaysian Tamils, including Muslims, are ideal recruiting material for a local variant of the LTTE, or even a branch of the Sri Lankan organization, eager to burnish its Tamil credentials worldwide. Rather than using police and other security agencies to batter its own citizens into submission while billing itself a democratic state, the Malaysian government should study the history books to avoid the quagmire that the Sinhalese fanatics landed in by their anti-Tamil policies.

    Unlike China, which stays out of issues where people of Chinese ethnic origin are involved, India’s domestic politics make it mandatory for the New Delhi government to seek justice for ethnic Indians, especially in a country like Malaysia, which is within its geographical back yard and with which it has close cultural and business links.

    In a global society, it is no longer possible for Malaysia’s Malay leaders to wall off their country from international scrutiny. Thanks to their bitter experiences in Sri Lanka, Tamils worldwide have built up a substantial network of information outlets. Several of these are disseminating details of ongoing policies designed to confine them to the margins of the Malaysian economy and society.

    The new prime minister of Malaysia, Abdullah Badawi, has demonstrated a moderate and modernizing mindset, and has quietly reversed some of the Wahabbi Lite policies introduced by his fiery predecessor. Interestingly, several key leaders of the UMNO, including some ministers, have now come out against the destruction of the temples that caused the present flare-up. Those responsible have been pulled up and warned to stop, even though official rhetoric against the organizers of the protest continues.

    In a throwback to the Mahathir era, when dissent could be punished by imprisonment on trumped-up charges of sodomy, the organizers of this entirely peaceful protest have been prosecuted for “sedition” against the state. In actuality, it is those responsible for creating a system of ethnic-based privilege and religion-based discrimination that should be booked under such laws, for they are putting at risk Malaysia’s future as a tranquil and prospering country.

    The poisoned fruits of the Mahathir era have now emerged in the open, but the odds are that the new dispensation will see in the recent agitation — and the worldwide publicity that followed — a wake-up call to halt and reverse the country’s steady retrogression into a Wahhabi Lite state, along with the likes of Bangladesh and Pakistan.

    Prime Minister Badawi is pushing for Malaysia to join the front rank of the “knowledge” states, able to compete globally with India or even in time the European Union. This is possible, but only once Malaysia frees itself from the legacy of religious and ethnic discrimination that has led to the alienation of those outside the fold of privilege.

    —

    (Professor M.D. Nalapat is vice-chair of the Manipal Advanced Research Group, UNESCO Peace Chair, and professor of geopolitics at Manipal University. ©Copyright M.D. Nalapat.)

  36. IMPOSSIBLE TO VOTE BN. DO NOT VOTE BN.

    I am not a great DAP or PAS supporter, but with the disgusting and crude and bullying intimation by BN in hanling the Bar Council, Bersih and the Hindraf, I find BN’s policies unacceptable.Tehy are more radical than the so-called extrmist PAS.

    At this general election, I will vote for anything, PAS, DAP Kedialan, Hindraf BUT NEVER BN

    I CALL ON ALL MALAYSIANS TO ENSURE THAT AYOU ARE ON THE ELECTROL LIST. IF YOU ARE NOT GET REGISTERED NOW AND DO N O T V O T E BARISAN.

    STAND UP AND BE COUNTED AND DO NOT ALLOW BN ANOTHER FIVE YEARS OF BULLYING , INATIMATION AND THREATS AGAINST THE MALAYIANS especially the marginalised d2 million Indians.

  37. You keep knocking the devil doors, someday surely someone will answer. Their foolish accusation towards current Malaysian representatives, voices of the nation, undoubtedly will invite a further greater wave to persist our slowly dispersing rights. Should they involve terrorism into such passive and nonviolent demonstration, impeach irrelevant issues without solid proof lest any logical explanation, unquestionably Malaysia’s authority is taking thus showing their ascendancy for granted disregarding human rights nor abiding any ethic nor integrity they often demands.

  38. Hi Guys, just some updates here:

    Last Sarawak ADUN election, SUPP was badly routed by DAP in the town areas. I talked with one Sibu guy (Mr. Hii – there are thousand of Mr Hii), and he said the discontentment in Sibu and Sarikei is bad, partly because the present president should have resigned instead of just offering to resign. Sure, Asian culture is, if the President offers to resign, the polite thing is to persuade him to remain.

    So, DAP get ready your machinery in Kuching, Sibu, Sarikei, Bintulu and Miri. I am doubtful if the present SUPP president won’t go the way of John Howard.

  39. UMNO is pushing Indians to become terrorists so that all Malays will have a common enemy. History has proven that when Malays are facing a common threat, they will unite under UMNO.

    Hindraf has played into the hands of UMNO.

  40. Ever since this IGP make the wild claim that they will be capturing Nurin’s killer/s imminently soon after her body was discovered, he has lost all credibility when till today, the police had made little or no progress.

    As the No 1 policeman in the country, he should be more careful with his words when making wild and erroneous claims. He should furnish proof that Hindraf has “…actively canvassing for support and assistance from terrorist groups.” when making these claims. Otherwise he is no different from the people he is accusing. And he should not just talk. As the IGP, if they are true, he should act on them. Like many Malaysians, I abhor and would be the first to condemn Hindraf for any terrorist acts if indeed they are proven true and support any firm actions taken against Hindraf for such acts. Otherwise, the IGP should refrain from such wild accusations because he will not only lose whatever credibility he has left but also help to fan the emotions that are already high, a situation he claims he is trying to calm down.

  41. Like Bersih, Hindraf is a peaceful protest.

    No politician should exploit and manipulate this incident to their achieve their narrow, short sighted and damaging politics at the great expense of the Indian community and the country as a whole.

    We have not witnessed good leadership and governance of the country in the past, this is the great opportunity to turn the country around.

  44. Someone please contact Christiane Amanpour, the CNN’s chief international correspondent to start the making of a 3-hour special report on Hindraf and the marginalization of Indians in Malaysia.

    All local “mainstream” media are just running dogs to UMO. The situation is getting extremely bad now. Their writings and reports are just totally one-sided!

  45. H. F. Verwoerd, Prime Minister of South Africa and one of the architects of apartheid would be proud that his policy thrives on in this country
    http://www.newindpress.com/NewsItems.asp?ID=IEM20071203210549&Title=Main+Article&rLink=0
    But under a political system that thrives on division and uses the threat of discord as a means of ensuring silent acquiescence, everybody suffers. To different degrees, admittedly, and a few, maybe not at all. But by and large, living in a society that judges, rewards and punishes on purely race-based motives takes its toll. To live conscious of inequality makes one a participant, willing or not, victim or not…

  46. Yes, UMO is pushing Indians to become terrorists!

    If anyone is pushed to a wall, the only way to get back is to use violence.

    Why peaceful protests needed to be banned? Why UMO needs to create Malaysian version of Tamil Tigers?

  48. I wonder how the case of attempted murder will come out in court.
    DPP: Defendants intent was to kill with sticks and stones thrown from a distance. Yes the intention was to kill. The weapon of choice was stones and pieces of wood. Exhibits number 1 to 99 here are the rocks and other lethal missiles which if thrown with great accuracy will kill. Here we have photos of the defendants hurling the missiles but we cannot ascertain which particular defendant’s missile actually hit the victim. We will prove that the real intention of throwing missiles was to kill and nothing else. Our expert witness, a traumatologist from the University will explain how missiles such as exhibits 1 to 99 can kill a human being.

    Defense: ????##@@

  49. What sort of judge would say this sort of thing?
    “Sessions Court judge Azima Omar told a packed courtroom. “The offences committed by the accused are serious,” she said.
    http://powerpresent.blogspot.com/2007/12/more-pics-anger-25-6-refused-bail.html

    If she had said the charges are serious, that’s another thing. Isn’t wording that important in legal matters?

    The offences has YET to be established! The no-bail part further clearly suggests the revenge/punitive suspicion. Only in Bolehland is the public’s intelligence treated so cavalierly and insensitively.

    Or maybe she was also “misquoted” by AFP?

  50. Libra2,
    No difference. Actually they are more like Nazis. They think they are of a superior race. eg. ketuanan melayu. But only FOOLS think so. They are what they are today with the powers to dictate, to manipulate, to bully, to take from others, to corrupt, to blow up people, to control nearly everything, is solely due to MCA and MIC.
    I have grown to dislike them from the front to the back, from head to toes.
    To me, they are the lowest specie of the human race. Thanks to UMNaziO. Why can’t they be as hardworking as anybody else? UMNaziO has pamperred them with all kinds of assistance and yet they still claim they are lacking behind. Then they must be very stupid people.

  52. Criminals are running around the Police and they can’t catch them. Crime rate is on the increase.
    Prosecution is losing almost all criminal cases due to shoddy investigations and incapable DPPs.
    Instead of taking care of their jobs the IGP and AG are acting like UMNO politicians. Are they also standing for elections?

  53. mandela said “Yes, UMNO is pushing Indians to become terrorists!”.

    I tend to agree with him. At the rate the government is pushing them to a corner, the time may come when we hear of suicide bombings in our midst.
    I pray that day will not come or this country will go down like the drain Sri Lanka or Pakistan.
    I pray the government will realize that there is a limit to oppression and intimidation.

  54. if Hindraf protesters and lawyers are terrorist…
    why bloody Chief Police still sit down like nothing happen…
    call your boss (PeeM) to use ISA to jail them lah…
    dont just sit down and collect my $$$ by tocking cock…

    wake up dear Malaysian…
    our country Police, Judiacial and Politic at deplorable stage…
    please vote them OUT…!

  55. Here’s a little article to put the charges that are levelled against the 31 in perspective.

    Teen guard pins blame for rape bid on ‘sudden feeling’

    KUALA LUMPUR: He blamed his violence on a “sudden feeling which overcame him”.

    But for this 17-year-old — who was just a month short of being tried as an adult — that moment will cost him three years at the Henry Gurney home for juvenile offenders.

    The teenager, who was working at Tunku Abdul Rahman College as a security guard, maintained his guilty plea in the Children’s Court yesterday to attempted rape, molest and causing hurt to an 18-year-old female student at the college.

    Magistrate Nurulizwan Ahmad Zubir also ordered him to be placed under a good behaviour bond for three years after his release from the reform school.

    His mother, 37, stood surety for him after the court set bail at RM5,000 in one surety.

    The youth from Gombak Setia was charged with:

    – causing hurt to the first-year business studies student at the TARC Lecture Hall B;

    – attempting to rape her at Lecture Hall 2; and

    – molesting her at the same place.

    The three offences were committed between 5.30pm and 5.50pm on April 21.

    He admitted bashing the girl on her head with a rock in front of Lecture Hall B before dragging her to Lecture Hall 2 and sexually assaulting her.

    She received eight stitches on the back of her head and now suffers from blurred vision in the right eye.

    The accused, who is the eldest of five children of a production operator, 42, and a housewife, could have been sentenced to a maximum of 23 years’ jail and whipping had he committed the offences a month later.

    Chief Inspector Afandi Kasiman prosecuted, while welfare officer Othman Ismail read the probation report on the accused.

    Othman said the boy regretted his actions as they were a result of a “sudden feeling which overcame him”.

    “He did not intend to hurt the student,” Othman said.

    According to facts, the victim was walking along a pedestrian lane in the college when the teenage security guard threw a rock at her from behind, causing her to fall to the ground.

    He then dragged her into a nearby storeroom, undressed her and began to molest her. When she screamed, he repeatedly hit her on the head with the rock.

    He tried to rape her, but when he failed to do so, he rolled his clothes to form a rope and tried to strangle her.

    After begging him to stop, he set her free and she sought help from a male college mate who took her to a clinic.

    She later lodged a police report at the Sentul police headquarters.

    Question:

    How come he isn’t being charged for attempted murder but only causing hurt??

    Isn’t his act worse, in that he threw a rock specifically at the victim and also tried to strangle her with rope?

    Double standards??

  56. Optimuz, just wonder whether this can be a good defense n mitigation point if these 31 are convicted “sudden feeling which overcame him”,
    This sudden feeling seemed to continue for quite a long duration in the case u mentioned, threw a rock, drag, undress victim, molest, hit on victim head with rock, attempt rape, roll cloth to form rope to strangle etc!
    Do a sudden feeling usually last so long ?

  58. I wonder if there is a need to now revisit all cases where objects were used to cause hurt, and instead amend the charges to attempted murder instead!

    What a mockery of law and justice.

    But then, how many of us would stand up against such tyranny anyway??

  59. This government is run by the Umnoputras.
    They can twist and turn as they like.
    They don’t give a damn about the other races.
    Nobody can help us now.

    So,we all go for help internationally!!!!

  61. 13. Should you fail to respond to the above we would be left with no alternative but to institute civil proceedings against your goodselves amongst others to produce / tender the evidence of the said terrorist claims in the Kuala Lumpur High Court which we believe you do not have because it is not true. If your evidence is based on mere police reports (false and manufactured) as alleged by the AG in court on 5-7-2007 we to the contrary have (real) hundreds of police reports alleging scores of police murder of Indians, racial attacks on Indians and causing grevious bodily harm etc on Indians for which there is yet to be a single prosecution for murder manslaughter etc. To the contrary all the 31 peaceful assemblers (of 25-11-2007) have falsely, maliciously and on a racist basis been prosecuted for attempted murder. To add insult to injury of the criminal justice system in Malaysia, they are now locked up without bail and are serving a sentence for which they are yet to have been found guilty. This is vindictive, malicious and racist prosecution as previous assemblies by Bersih, Batu Buruk, Toll hikes (2) and Petrol hikes (2) Myamar assemblies (2) and Khairy’s protest against Condoleza’s Rice visit to Malaysia by primarily Malay muslim peaceful assemblers there has been no remands or prosecutions or denying of bail for that matter.

    Your goodselves cannot and should not take the law into your own hands and act contrary to the public interest though you are vested with very vast powers as the AG and IGP. Stop being a racist, stop the marginalization and the permanent colonialsation of the ethnic minority Malaysian Indians. 50 years is enough. Let us now move on.

    Kindly take notice that you are to furnish to me the evidence of the alleged link of Hindraf to terrorism within seven (7) days from the date hereof failing which I shall presume that you do not have the evidence. You are to further unreservedly apologise and cause to be broadcasted and published in a similar manner and retract the alleged terrorist claim within seven (7) days from the date hereof failing which Hindraf and I would have no alternative but to institute legal proceedings for RM10 Million against you goodselves for General, Special and Exemplary damages.

    Kindly take note accordingly.
    http://policewatchmalaysia.com/index.php?subaction=showfull&id=1197024606&archive=&start_from=&ucat=2&

  62. Poor Tamil Indians. The british brought them here and forced them to work on daily wages and sucked them dry. They also got to put up with the mandors made up of ceylones tamils, telugus or malayalee.

    When the estates disappeared so too their future. Estate tamil schools up to standard six, hardly could speak bahasa, and now still suffering not knowing what they have done.

    Thw government could have shown compassion but then that would mean they have to bury their ego.

  63. This is blatant power abuse by the JUDICIARY,POLICE,AND UMNO CONTROLLED GOVT.there are so many cases which is not solved but like nurin,altantuya but this clowns are charging them under attemtpted murder.I BEEN CONVINCING ALOT OF MY BUDDYS TO VOTE FOR OPPOSITIONS DURING THE NEXT ELECTION.ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.

  64. Yes, Mr Lim you can be sure your motion will be denied for whatever reason. The only hope seems to be appeal the defense lawyers say they will be filing. But the million dollar question arise again. Is it in the court of a fair and just judge or one of the many so called judges in our judiciary? At the end of the day , the fate of these 31 scapegoats seemed doomed as the government seems to be out for their scalps!!

  65. The usual cases involving the prosecution are handled by the deputy Public Prosecutors and even the police inspectors .They are the alter ego of the Public Prosecutor /Attorney General. Base on the charge itself this is not a case that attracts the attention of AG but he came with guns blazing and our malaysian ‘hero medias’ in tow.
    there is more than that meets the eyes.

  69. “Tan Sri Gani Patail must know that as Attorney-General, he is the chief legal officer not only of the government but for all 27 million Malaysians and he must not act …” KIT

    You’re making a mistake here, YB Kit.

    The AG has never been nor is the “chief legal officer” for “all 27 million Malaysians”. He is the chief legal officer of the government. The AG is not an elected office.

    But I get your drift.

  70. “…allegation by the Inspector-General of Police … that Hindraf is linked to terrorists and that Hindraf is actively canvassing for support and assistance from terrorist groups”.

    How else would they justify their denial of bail to those accused? If Anwar could be charged for abuse of power and corruption and sodomy, nothing is impossible with this government.

    As if “attempted murder’ is not enough, the charge of “supporing terrorism” is the final nail (I hate say this because it sounds cliche) in the coffin of justice. Ordinary Malaysians will have to do mental gymnastics to understand how they came to that conclusion. They saw Tamils protesting. Is it possible that they also saw tigers?

    The rule of law has long been replaced by the rule of men (sorry ladies). But with tigers on their side, hey who knows??

  71. Undergrad2….Malaysian Crominal Procedure code offences falls under three types of bail terms. wit 1. bailable as of right .i.e if the offender can come up with the bail sum the court shall release ..that is the court has no discretion apart from the sum/terms. 2. not bailable offences are where the court has discretion to grant bail or not. Old age ,frail are considerations. The offender has not right except to plead for bail. 3. Unbailable usually Drugs ..no discretion,thus mandatory, no bail.
    The charge Hindraff people are facing falls under the second category of not bailable,thus it squarely falls within the discretion of the judge.They have gone for the kill.

  75. “The offences committed by the accused are serious,” she (referring to the judge) said.

    “If she had said the charges are serious, that’s another thing. Isn’t wording that important in legal matters? The offences has YET to be established! ” Wits0

    You are right.

    The judge should have said “charges” rather than “offences”. If a magistrate newly out of law school were to say that, it is not surprising – not so in this case. She should be more selective in the use of words. “Offences” are words you find mostly in the Penal Code and “charges” mostly in the Criminal Procedure Code”. Obviously this judge is prosecution oriented.

  79. “The dirt-poor, seething Malaysian Tamils, including Muslims, are ideal recruiting material for a local variant of the LTTE…” Indian columnist

    Hutchrun,

    Does this not mean that the IGP who scans ferociously for news on “terrorism” over TV and newspapers and the Internet, is not totally wrong in his outlook on HINDRAF as potential hotbeds for terrorism?

  80. “..Malaysian government should study the history books to avoid the quagmire that the Sinhalese fanatics landed in by their anti-Tamil policies.” Indian columnist

    A covert call to the Tamil Hindus in Malaysia to resort to terrorism?

    HINDRAF leaders would do well to distance themselves from such comments. LTTE has long been categorised by the United States as a terrorist organization.

  81. cancan Says:
    December 7th, 2007 at 17: 39.55

    This government is run by the Umnoputras.
    They can twist and turn as they like.

    I fully agree with you on that if you ever had any dealings with the UMNOputra government. They can twist and turn better than an acrobat to deny you of anything you applied for, be it an educational or business loan, license, etc. “Tidak dapat di timbangkan” is their favorite catchphrase. When you take the trouble to seek assistance to ask them the reason/reasons they will twist and turn to give you some farcical excuses, even changing their own policies/ or “syarat syarat” set by them. I have lots of prove on this.

  82. “….P. Uthayakumar, was reported as saying in an interview in Monday’s edition of Singapore’s New Paper that that he would not rule out using violence. ”

    Uthayakumar says “The monks were prepared to die for their cause. I’ve shown slides of monks getting shot and killed during my roadshows and I think it struck a chord with the people. ”

    The ISA is tailor made to suit cases like this. Why is the UMNO led government hesitating?? Why haven’t they let the dogs out??

  83. Firstly, showing anger is the worst system in the world and we have it. Sad but true. I suggest that we cut all the crap, forgive malays for being so manja and so protective over their land, and DAP for being the Batu Api. We are Malaysian, or should we change the name to something that suits us. Why & what are we fighting for? Sense of belongings? or just being plain selfish. Thinking only for our own race is selfish, thinking only about our own religion that is sellfish. Basically we are all sellfish. Thats why we all end up in this place called Malaysia. Who loves Malaysia? The malays claim that Malaysia is theirs. Yes, we should give them the credit coz their ancestors are the pioneers who ruled the country but that does not mean that Malaysia is theirs, just because it is MALAYsia or MALAY SIA SIAKAN MALAYSIA. But talking about building the country…i think all race does that what. If its not because of the chineese, i dont think that Malacca can be that successful. From there we see that the Malays & the chineese has chemistries going on. What about the other races like the indians. They fought for the World War in Malaya. In fact they are the frontlines. Second was the malays. Why are we fighting with each other? Coz weve been manupulated by the western minds. To the big boyz up there, throw off the ego, start to talk and compromise with the other parties as well. Because the opposition starts to talk more sense then you guys. But to the opposition, dont get too jump up. We all should protect and help each other for just one statement. For a very intelligent and a very peaceful country. Malaysia, to me is just a land created by God. It does not belong to anyone. So whoever decides to stay, please take care of it and please be nice to others. Its a piece of land that we all share. The chineese and the Indians are also concern of the land that they stayed and live and they fought and still fighting for it, if they think theres a better way of running it, they have the rights. I believe that we are actually killing ourself. Making up stories just to make us fight, shout and kill to show protest. Are we barbarians?. Think! Making up parties are actually bad ideas. Firstly, because it separates the mind and end up we became groups. Groups against groups. What if, if we do not have any party. Just a government runned by experts in their own fields, chosed by the people. Our Kings has no respect from the people. That is because they are also Malays and MANJA. I repeat MANJA. We should not have kasta. Everyone should be equal. It may sound communist. But communism helps only the people that they want to help. But that is the Communist government, the ideology is different. This way the Hindus will agree, the muslims will also agree, even the buddhist and all other religion will agree. We are actually moving to the Dark side. It is time to go white. Coz personally i do not want to go to hell! My Datuk is a Bangali her wife came from china. My moyang do not have money. At early 1920’s we are poor, so then my Moyang give my nenek to the malays because takut kena jual as a prostitude. The malays (My moyang angkat) help my nenek which is a chineese (a hakka). My mom married to a malay. Thats why i strongly believe that we can make it because history has proven. I might be going to ISA for saying all this, but one thing for sure i am saving my afterlife.

  84. Uthayakumar said at an interview when asked if he applied for political asylum in the U.K.

    “It was at the height of the Francis Udayappan (missing police detainee) case. There was an attack on me, done with razor-sharp precision. That kind of thinking can only come from the police. […] They smashed my car windscreen and I hit a lamp post and somebody pulled out a gun and pointed it at me. I had all the evidence.

    I would have easily qualified for asylum ..”

    He is wrong. He would not have qualified for asylum based on what he said here.

  85. “The ISA is tailor made to suit cases like this. Why is the UMNO led government hesitating?? Why haven’t they let the dogs out??”

    I am guessing internal party power struggle, perhaps. Either that or the situation has evolved into such a magnitude that they realize using ISA would only make the people struggle against them even more fiercely.

  87. Everyone of us who visit these blogs + people from bersih and hindraf should make a video(YouTube)hilighting the injustice and religous prosecution in the country and post it on you tube for the world to see….Let every voice be heard

  88. Those “gangsters and thugs” 31 of them could not finish off one cop?.
    Hard to believe.

    Hindraf now a terrorist org?
    Even harder to believe.

    Love to see the evidence.

    But wait, they are currently manufacturing evidence.

    Yo! Badawi and Samy, you really believe this?

  89. “I am guessing internal party power struggle..”

    A power struggle implies a begining and an end – with a victor and a loser – but a fractured leaderhip means an ineffectual leadership and ineffective policies. This is more a case of no leadership.

  93. What the hell is the PM doing joining in the allegation of terrorism-link of Hindraf? If Hindraf is guilty then Malaysia is guilty by association with Hamas. Should US also call Malaysia a terrorist-supporting state?

    This spin-doctoring of Hindraf is getting dangerously out of hand. There is over-arrogance to believe that Hindraf will not radicalize further and have little support.

  94. India is guilty of supporting terrorism when it supported LTTE otherwise known as Tamil Tigers – an organization classified by the United States as a terrorist organization. India has since stopped supporting the Tamil Tigers.

    I don’t think HINDRAF has the ability nor the intention, left on its own, to morph into anything like a terrorist group. Their leaders who spoke on its behalf have certainly given the impression that it could and should.

    Uthayakumar appears to put the blame on Anwar and Kit for not speaking out loud and clear. Because had these two Opposition leaders done so, according to him, the threat of violence would not be necessary. Listen to the tape of his interview with Malaysiakini.

  95. May be some one worry that polis n army may forget how to deal with terrorist, (since CPM Chin Peng dismantle his gang so long ago), so must find some way to refresh polis n army in this aspect, so just label some body terrorist, then deal with it accordingly.

  96. Hello again,

    read this:

    http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2007/12/8/nation/19703414&sec=nation

    Nation
    Saturday December 8, 2007

    MCA: Hindraf way out of line

    PETALING JAYA: Allegations of ethnic cleansing by the Hindu Rights Action Force (Hindraf) are baseless, untrue and “way out of line,” said MCA secretary-general Datuk Ong Ka Chuan.

    “In a multi-racial country like Malaysia, it is normal for every community to have grievances. But to accuse the Government of practising ethnic cleansing is something very serious,” he said in a press statement yesterday.

    »To accuse the Government of practising ethnic cleansing is something very serious« DATUK ONG KA CHUAN
    “The leaders of Hindraf should have been more careful and responsible in making statements.”

    Ong also said that attempts by Hindraf leaders to involve the British and Indian governments and political leaders in the affairs of the country’s Indian community should not have been done and that it was tantamount to foreign interference in Malaysia’s domestic affairs and sovereignty.

    ” I guess this is after several attempts to communicate with the gov.

    He said the MCA and Government remained committed to assisting the poor irrespective of race.

    “Like who?”

    Ong also urged Indian community leaders to channel their views and grievances through the proper channels like MIC representatives, so that issues could be resolved amicably.

    They tried.. but what is “mic” Malays in charge?”

    “The Government will view the grievances of the Indian community seriously and continue to take action to resolve them amicably through the mechanism of the Barisan Nasional Government at all levels,” he said.

    After 50 years they have done shit and you an supposedly educated chinaman don’t see it?

    Ong said the MCA condemned the actions of Parti Keadilan Rakyat de facto leader Datuk Seri Anwar Ibrahim, who went to India to seek foreign support to interfere in Malaysia’s domestic affairs.

    Yes keep kissing up, what would you do if the chinese were to be in the same position as the indians?

    He added that it was obvious that Anwar was “going all out” to exploit the issue for political gain in a desperate attempt to revive his political strength.

    And I guess you are not!! not just sucking up to the chinese vote but to the malays. By the way what is your take on the terrorist issue?

  97. The name Patail cannot be a Malay name. The name Patail is very close to the Indian name Patel. If I am right than it shows that a Patail is prepared to prosecute Muthu, Samy Ravi so as to show no racism. However the charges against the alleged Hindraf guys are straightforward. Patail go help your subordinates in the Atlantuya trial. Why dont you? Scared?

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