There is growing intolerance and increasing extremism in Malaysia which are inimical to successful nation building and the latest instance is the demand for the removal of the Christian cross and the demolition of Christian statues in mission schools.
I raised this issue in Parliament this morning during the winding-up of the Education Ministry in the 2008 Budget committee stage debate by the Deputy Education Minister, Datuk Noh Omar and expressed my concern why the Education Minister, Datuk Seri Hishammuddin Hussein had not said anything to dissociate the government from such extremist demands.
During the policy debate on the 2008 Budget on Oct. 29, 2007 the Barisan Nasional Member of Parliament for Parit Sulong, Syed Hood bin Syed Edros, supported by the BN MP for Sri Gading, Datuk Haji Mohamad bin Haji Aziz called for the removal of the Christian cross and the demolition of Christian statues in the mission schools.
The loyalty of mission schools was questioned, with the baseless allegation that they refuse to observe Aidilfitri public holiday and close the schools. There was even the preposterous accusation that the mission schools were administered by churches outside the country, including the Vatican.
I asked Noh Omar whether he is aware that the extremist demands by the two BN MPs have created a furore, particularly on the Internet, and why the Education Ministry was condoning such extremism by its silence when such statement should be denounced without equivocation.
I also reminded the Deputy Education Minister that it is wrong and mischievous to assume that Muslims studying in mission schools are potential apostates, when mission schools had made great contributions in nation-building and produced many Malay leaders, including Deputy Prime Minister, Datuk Seri Najib Razak, the Education Minister himself, the Perak Raja Muda Raja Nazrain Shah and the Sultan of Selangor who had been products of mission schools.
There was no satisfactory reply from Noh Omar.
Thank you very much for speaking up on this!
Removing crosses and other objects in mission schools had been on for years!
Don’t tell me the Christians need to form peaceful march before any action is taken.
The ruling elites need to realise the power they have is only entrusted to them temporary by the people.
> when mission schools had made great contributions in nation-building and produced many Malay leaders, including Deputy Prime Minister,…..
One thing for sure is these leaders did not follow what they were taught on the moral side. Don’t think that they really learned anything useful.
After cross the birdge they started demolishing the bridge
i personally come from a mission school and this have been a bloody stupid problem from the government!…it’s ok if they remove the cross because in the past christians have never be in a fair situation before…since history till now christians are persecuted everywhere…
so to those who loves to remove the cross…go ahead because when judgement day comes i really want to see the look on their faces…
you can always remove the cross from the school’s badge or school’s flag…but you can never remove the cross that is firm in all christian’s heart…
I dont think such extremism happens only in schools. From what I know even churches are not allowed to have the cross outside their own premise. Is this really true?
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The attitude of these religiously intolerant, via their rather moronic/mentally retarded posturings and insensitive statements, is the biggest threat to the maturity, cohesiveness and social progress of Malaysia today, and it poses the question of how far we have truely slipped backwards in the 50 years since Merdeka.
Someone should post these ‘clowns’ back to the rehabilation centres they so strongly advocate and do our society a big favour!
Something should be done about this bunch of “kurang ajar” BN idiots.
Their bunch includes misogynistic Badruddin Aminuddin, the inflamatory racist son-in-law, the penyangak Nazri and Minister of Misinformation Zainuddin. If Badawi is really walking the talk they would’ve been sacked a long time ago but no, “Big Ears” Badawi isn’t cleaning up his own back yard.
These two MPs would’ve been thought to be from the so-called Taliban school of PAS but hell no. These are BN MPs! Wah, they pose themselves as guardians of racial harmony la konon. The sooner these liars are exposed to the people, the better.
What would this lead to? Another despicable act of bigotry similar to that of the destruction of Bamiyan Buddhas in Afghanistan?
Smeagroo: Cross removed from outside premise, true?
Yes! In Melaka, outside Taman Malim Jaya. The name of the church remained, but the cross had been remove. If you want to know the full story, the best person to ask is the pastor in charge.
Messy: Cross removed from school badge, true?
Yes! St. David High School, Bukit Baru, Melaka, the cross had been replaced by a crown.
These are the people Hindraf referred to them as “Islamic extremists” in that letter. If this is not an apt description, then what is?
In the early years it was Mission schools that gave us and some of these Islamic extremists their education.
I wonder why these people are afraid of the cross. Every time they write a “t”, aren’t they making a cross?
In those days even Malay students in mission schools wore the school badges with the cross on it and there was no issue about it. When the Christians prayed during the assembly, the Malays kept quiet and they never raised any alarm. There was no conversion either.
Take this… ++++++++++
Are these extremists vampires or what?
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“…it is wrong and mischievous to assume that Muslims studying in mission schools are potential apostates, when mission schools had made great contributions in nation-building….” KIT
I blame Mahathir for the mess. It started with his declaration of Malaysia as an Islamic state. From that time it has been a downward spiral as various elements within his Administration stumbled over one another seeking furiously to get his attention, obtain his favors, and others to outdo one another if not for anything else, in drumming up Islamic religious fervor as if it is one great popularity contest. The populist nature of the issue is all too evident. And now with a religious cleric at the head of the pack, and one who has no leadership qualities whatsoever, it is fast getting out of control.
I think Najib is waiting in the wings anxiously waiting for his turn while quietly fanning the flames of religious extremism. I don’t believe Najib is a religious bigot. He does what all politicians do.
If Christian missions sought to convert Malay students, or if sending Malay students to universities overseas is to make apostates out of them, why is that there are no converts to Christianity from among them – or their leaders?
Students of history and politics would know that in the 50s many Malays feared that sending their children to Christian missionary schools would make Christians out of them. That didn’t happen. How else would you then otherwise explain the droves of Malay students registering in such schools.
UMNO leaders especially its second echelon leaders today sought to politicize everything – from education to religion and more. They do it for their own political ends. It does not matter if it is destroying the fabric of our society.
They have to stop or be stopped!
“What would this lead to? Another despicable act of bigotry similar to that of the destruction of Bamiyan Buddhas in Afghanistan?” ALtPJK
No. But it would lead to Badawi stepping down for “health reasons” and Najib taking over the reins.
Terrible! Terrible! Terrible!
Remove the cross in mission school? It is already sadly felt by non-Malays especially the Christians the mission school [deleted]. First of all, in the sixties or seventies, they said its better for the mission schools to be handed over to the MOE, they promised they will never change the status quo of the school. But slowly, you can see what’s happening. They are also telling the Chinese school at one stage, it was fortunate that the Chinese school boards don’t fall into their trap; of course, in return, they said the Chinese school boards people are anti-government! Who is the real culprit?
They are the most racist people who implement policy which is unfair to the non-Malays (not even the peace loving Malays on the street will agree with their unfair implementation. However, they are afraid to make any comments; they just leave it to their so called leaders to lead them, after all, it will only benefits them even more). However, when the non-Malays voice out against the unfairness, these UMNO racist will yell we are racist instead! Terrible!
It is with deep regret that our ‘Unity Minister’ Dato James Ongkili also started to remind ‘the frustrated underclass people’ of another May 13 threat. I think he must remind UMNO power to implement policies that are fair to all its citizen right from the start of every implementation! No body will need or like to ‘go to the street’ if things are fairly implemented, or voice could be heard through proper channel. HOPELESS WITH THESE PEOPLE AROUND! LET’S JUST VOTE THE OPPOSITION AND SEE WHAT HAPPEN! AFTER ALL, WITH THESE PEOPLE IN POWER, WE WILL ALSO DIE!
i once sold a bag to a malay lady which picture a clear blue night,and it has a star on the right corner which glow cross like,
she then took it back insist on money return because of the Christianity symbol,i accept it.
The next day ,a lady from Syria with Muslim lady clothing wanted that same bag,i pointed the crosslike star to her,and asked her if this too sensitive , she argue that is a star,and she bought it because of it.
I was confused.
Some look at a cross, and they see a crucifix. Others look at the cross and see a cross.
I had a malay colleague who bought a shirt & didnt realized there was a “cross like” symbol on the shirt. She spent the whole day trying to get the symbol out of the shirt with a knife when she realized it was too late to return the shirt back to the shop. She even bleached the shirt, to no avail. I was puzzled why it was a big deal to her. According to her, if she did die using this shirt (with the “cross like” symbol on the shirt), the angels won’t be able to take her soul. Apparently, these islam angels are afraid of the cross!!??
The time to give and take is over!
For too long we have been giving and taking nothing in return.
I propose that there be a by-law for noise regulation to be introduce in par-lie-ment. This will ensure that we are not rudely awaken early in the morning by the muslim prayer.
I propose that ALL vehicles double parking in front of any mosques be tow away every friday afternoon. That way we will not endure any unnecessary traffic jams around those areas.
Lets see what they have to say about these proposals. And they have the nerve to tell us that our country is peaceful because religious tolerance is practice here. Tolerance on our part, yes! Definitely NOT on their part!
CRUCIFIX IN MISSION SCHOOLS
Since Malaysia is not a secular state and not a religious state, it is condemned to a life time of schizophrenic existence.
In the United States, religious symbols are not allowed in schools and in federal buildings because it goes against the U.S. Constitution. No prayers are allowed at the beginning of classes.
In France, the Muslim ‘hijab’ is banned.
If Malaysia has to ban the crucifix from mission schools that would be going against the Malaysian Constitution which guarantees religious freedom to all. If they are not happy with the presence of crucifix anywhere then they would have to close all houses of worship and not only Churches.
Dear liaw3003sc, Thanks for writing!
I agree with you we must vote the corrupted and extreemists out.
To ensure that they are out, we need to, for a start to print out key articles for those who do not use the internet.
I also speak to people in the course of my work the many misdeeds done by the ruling elites.
The worry is that this demand for removal of cross and demolition of Christian statues represents only the thin end of the wedge leading on to more blatantly transgressive intolerance.
Doesn’t Article 11 in the Constitution provide for adequate protection of other religions or is this again qualified? Or are we witnessing an evil act of ‘frog in warming water’ gradual desensitising?
With these air-heads and religious extremists in power, how can Malaysia becomes a civilized country?
If crosses need to be removed from churches and badges, yes, pls take away too all “t” when these people write.
tax becomes ax, telephone becomes elephone, Lingam tape becomes Lingam ape, train becomes rain…
Where is Malaysia going from now? This is a [deleted] sick country leads by [deleted] people!
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Just tell the people who instruct not to display the crucifix, to go and stuff themselves; isn’t that the best answer?
Enough is Enuogh-stop it.
Why should one race ” kau tau” to the other race.
Only the MCA and MIC should “kau tau’ to the Umnoputra.
Any good historian here? I was given the impression that proper schools & hospitals here were started by the tireless missionaries of Jesus Christ who gave their lives to champion the course for our human good.( eg Robert Morrison)
Now come come What a Malaysian way to return gratitude?
Hebrews 12:14
Pursue peace with all men (surely the destroying crosses can’t be considered as peace seeking) & holiness (corruption of all sorts are unholy),without which no one will see the LORD ( meaning- will banish in eternal HELL).
My take is:- Don’t tell me how you love God by destroying things until you show me how you love man by caring for the poor & the defenceless irrespective of color, race & religion!!!
May God bless Malaysia!
The government controlled radio stations and media regularly boast that we “live in peace and harmony, there is religious tolerance and respect for each other’s beliefs and cultures, we are one strong, united, happy family bla, bla bla…”. Maybe the DJs are living in a different world and are having delusions, maybe they are merely script readers with no minds of their own, maybe the Ministry of (Mis)Information is misinformed or misinforming deliberately.
Temples and churches are regularly refused permission to install bells for their buildings or are asked to “tone down” their religious activities. Permission to build new places of worship meet with many obstacles and there are many restrictions placed on them because the Islamic people object to this and that and the poor Majlis Perbandaran have to comply.
Many mission schools, including many Convents, are already headed by non-Christians, many with muslim headmasters or headmistresses, so what is the concern? Any Muslim who continue to fear the Mission schools, need not send their children there.
But it is interesting to note that many Malays and non-Chinese send their children to Chinese schools without any problems. But it is the Christian schools that they have problems with. One just wonder why?
After 50 years, we get more and more narrow minded and less tolerant. And sadly there are still many who feel insecure and want and need to stamp their “ketuanan” over the others especially the minorities.
I certainly hope the Man with the Big Ears is listening and paying attention to all the going-ons. But I doubt he is strong enough to do anything except make empty, meaningless statements and slogans. A friend labelled him Bapak Pekak.
But read this interesting article of religious tolerance and goodwill:
http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/new.php?n=10804
Hei mendela, u forget to mentioned about the so many +++++ ,on the railway lines, should these railway lines be removed as well? or re design into some other shape? or use something to cover all those “crosses”. one day, some of these people may demand KTM to do this !
Messy: Cross removed from school badge, true?
Yes, Convent Girls School in Muar, Cross was replaced with a cresent moon on badge.
how silly.
these two idiot from the surrounding village of Muar must be damn proud of themselves for this seditious act.
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I feared that TALIBANISATION of Malaysia is at an accelerating pace! No where to hide now!
hmm.. i left a trackback here but how come it didn’t appear?
anyway, i blog about this on 22 nov, and also on 24 nov, and it was picked up by darnmalaysia blog, which then spread across among many bloggers. do read the comments at darnmalaysia blog.
if these people are so afraid of crosses and christian statues, it only reflect the insecurity (and lack of faith) on them.
Mendela, it is as nonsencical as you make it out to be.
In the U.S. they have had to remove the Ten Commandments from the Court House in a country where you are free to practice any religion of your choice. However, it is not because the country’s leaders are atheists but it is because it goes against their Constitution. They religously follow the dictates of their Constitution which separates the church from the state. Religous symbols are not allowed in government buildings.
This has been criticized by Christian Evangelicals but there is nothing anybody could do because this nation is built on the rule of law – rather than the rule of men.
ALtPJK,
This issue has been debated over and over again. It does not hurt to recap.
Art. 11 guarantees the rights of non-Malays and non-Muslims to practice their religion. Unfortunately the Malays are not as free. They are not free to choose which religion to belong to but they are free to practice their religion as Muslims.
The non-Malays and non-Muslims are not free to proselytize the Malays and if they do various state legislation subjects them to a fine or/and jail sentence.
Problems arise as you know when non-Malays who convert to Islam and then want to re-convert back to their original religion. To stop them would be to deny them of their constitutional right. One way to stop re-conversions has been to force them to submit to syariah law when they are no longer Muslims. For these converts to Islam the law has to say they are non-Muslims otherwise they remain legally Muslims. Ridiculous though as it may appear but that is the law! Otherwise, non-Malays and non-Muslims are free to practice their religions.
ooops “not” inadvertently left out – “not as nonsencical….”
UMNO demolished the Hindu temples and now they wan’t do destroy other objects of other religions. Who would believe you Mr Badawi that your are “hearing”? And MCA and MIC continue to stay at the sidelines while fattening themselves with spoils dropped off the UMNO feasting table, while the rakyat take their problems to the street. Let there be more peaceful rallies to let the whole world know the corruption, cruelty, and hypocrisy of UMNO!
This has been going on in some schools. Some HMs are real stupid.
Here is one incident: The HM gave the instruction to the pianter to leave the cross on top of the building unpainted while the whole building got a new coat of paint.
Then there was one where the cross was ‘accidentally’ broken by workers! Must be a damn idiotic worker. The cross stoothere for decade and he could accidentally broke it!
I weonder Pak Lah has no control over the MPs who behave like hooligans!!!
This is news. Very shocking news! What extremism! What democracy! Best we buck up before we go to oblivion!
I don’t know about you guys but I want to go to my temple.
Thanks Undergrad2 for your input. I have only been a recent reader of this blog so have missed out on earlier debates on this issue.
Your last 2 paragraphs have explained the issue of proselytization and its consequences but what about the issue of Christians in this case or Hindus in the case of temple destruction not being allowed to have the necessary ‘trappings’, if you will, to practise their religion? Doesn’t this then contravene the provision of the Constitution?
It should read ‘…contravene the relevant provision in the Constitution?’
ALtPJK
I am unable to address the specificity of the allegation. I don’t have sufficient access to the media but if I may speculate, it would appear there was an issue of law and order involved; but apparently overzealous public officials took advantage of the law, disregarding the sensitivity of the issue involve non-Muslims (I say non-Muslims rather than Hindus for obvious reasons). Wasn’t there a surau in the same vicinity that was demolished to make way for development?
I believe it is not like several bulldozers bringing down a temple for the sake of bringing it down.
Having said that the issue is not lost! This government recently has been upping the ante. Creeping Islamization of the 90s has now taken a new vigor. They need to put back the genie where it should be – in the bottle.
Hmmmm…something sort of ‘rule of men’ rather than ‘rule of law’….
can ask Bodowi to charge these bunch of Penyangak under ISA…
these otak cacing MP caused and stirring racial disharmony in BolehLand…
And you wonder why it is so difficult to have churches in new housing areas. A church that doesnt look like a church and musnt look like one. Most of them operate in shophouses.
Take this…
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to fort:
i come from a premier mission school…last time my school badge has a cross on it but now there isn’t…
i guessed you know why
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First the red cross and then the King in chess game (lucky Hindu fanatics didn’t demand thier symbols to be there) and now down with all the crosses. Soon we will be learning math like this
1 ( 1 = 2
2 ( 2 = 4
CAn’t anyone think life outside their own religion? How can human be so naive to believe his or her race/ religion or language or culture to be superior than others.
What would happened if a non muslim MP were to say vice versa?
“I’ve helped them, I’ve helped them in many ways. They want money to repair their temples, I help because we respect other religions and they are not our enemies, they have cooperated very well with us.”
http://news.sg.msn.com/regional/article.aspx?cp-documentid=1124860
Messy, we students made a Plato’s statue some 30 years ago but it is no longer there. A huge concrete structure of Plato no more there. Why?
I am never a religious person but I always believe the relationship between me and my CREATOR is very private. HE knows all that I did, I do and that I will do; if whatever teachings that I have been taught still prick my conscience. I studied in a missionary school in a small town with less than 10 non-malay students in our class. Being the senior most class, every Friday, whenever the regular Pastor failed to turn up, one of us would be called upon to conduct the ‘service’ which in reality consisted of reading some verses from the Bilble and then singing some songs. Up to to-day I had not changed my faith though I learned a lot about Christainity which a member of siblings had chosen to embrace. We met and talked and often I was invited to Makan ,though by now they would have given up hope of changing me.
My respects for people of different faiths remains the same if they are sincere: though we have to leave out the real hypocrites who would surely drop through the ‘hypocaust’ when their time arrives.
I have had stated that faith should best be left to individual and open debate or state’s interference will cause havoc. By encroaching on the rights of others’ belief will wreck any society any where! It is a matter of time.
Congratulation and thank you YB Lim Kiat Siang. I am a product of a Christian school. Without the Christian schools many a place in this country would not have any schools that were established so long now.
Many of the members of the Sarawak & Sabah Cabinet Ministers have the Christian schools to thank for their education. The Christians do not force their religion on others. Just look at those ministers in the government. Why is there such an attack on the Christina schools? What happen to all the Christian leaders & YB’s? Why are they not speaking up? Are the Christian BN YB’s busy pleasing their masters, the brainless morons in the government?
I don’t want to sound grandiose, but all of mankind through history live by a core value of morality, decency, the absolute need for good neighbourlyness; these are the core values of all peoples and faiths, be they Confucious, Muslim or Christians.
Civilised and mature societies live harmoniously by these values, therefore in these societies we find peace, happiness, law & order & citizens living happily side by side, in absolute tolerance. Look at the world today and see for yourselves, where are found the disfunctional societies. We find them in societies where their people find it hard to tolerate differences; in Europe, we find this in Serbia, Kosovo, Albania (these are failed states where Muslim fight Chriatians ); in South Asia (we find MUslims fight Hindoo); in Ireland ( Protestants fight Catholics ); in Iraq (Shias fight Kurds, fight Shiites and Christians). There are other examples in Africa, but why bother to exhaust the list ?
I saw a picture on U-tube or was it Chinadaily ? I saw the twisted face of SHEER HATRED on the face of this Malaysian minister, Hussein Onn’s son, holding up his very big KRIS in a posture of a salute. What does he aim to want to project ? Was he warning the other communities that if the supreme & superior status of the Malays, another May 16th Riot will again raise its ugly head ? Let the truth be said that the Chinese & Indians have not done anything to deserve Hussein Onn’s inslut. His antics is not more than childishness. Will UMNO really take to the streets and like “513” slaughter hundreds of Chinese ? I really do not think you will want to do that again.
In the age of IT, such image of intolerance is more the image of state THUGGERY. I have to admit that critisms from the world community is like water off a duck’s back; Malaysia is impervious to criticism; that said what does it matter what the world thinks of Malaysia ? I find it very incomprehensible why the Malays find such depth of hatred for their minority races ? Malays already receive all the money that the Malaysian Government got to give in, grants, interest free loans that are never paid back, all the scholarships that come from the government. Minority races just do not get any assistances whatsoever. Few if any jobs are available to the minority races. IS THERE ANYTHING MORE THAT THE GOVERNMENT CAN FIND THE MONEY TO GIVE TO THE MALAYS ? The Chinese & Indians so far have sat on their hands and hope that some crumps will fall on their lap ! That believe will never happen.
THIS REALLY BEGS THE QUESTIONS, “what is the next step that minority races can take to enforce their rights.” The INdians found their guts in this HINDRAFF ; and I say that their gallant sacrifice and protest must be supported.
I will write an article and hope that it will be accepted, [deleted]
I will discuss these issues in my article.
Honestly speaking, these ” Extremists ” simply talked with no brains and their bosses’ brains are far difference which only stuff with coconut husk.
Please compile the action of these Umnoputra extremists and show it to the world.
Hindraf has laid the groundwork to the world of apartheid in Malaysia.
We must follow-up.
If Umnoputras do not give a damn to the other races,then it is up to all of us to displace them.
these guys have run out of ideas and are clearly stupid. using baseless arguments. why are they not hauled by the BN whip????
if you really don’t like it, don’t send your kids there. These guys are not keen on quality of school, they only look at superficial stuff. stupid and HP6
to littlebird…the ministry have actually changed the whole system into their own game…the reason why Plato’s statue is gone because it was taken down by the UMNOs…they have inferiority complex…
once they see other things like cross and who-ever’s statue they’ll try to take it down…
to everyone who still don’t believe that my badge have changed from a cross badge to a non-cross badge you can always check it out at http://www.mbsskl.edu.my/…there was a cross on the badge but now????but it’s ok…we know that UMNO have this tendency to do-something out of the blue to cost some troubles to the people…
to me it is really a childish thing to change this change that…they’re actually wanting to show the public that theyr’e “working”
Such is called ISLAMIZATION…
UMNO will always use the “non†as their boogey man.
• To gain some votes, Dr.M, our PM accused Tengku Li to be an apostate bcos he was wearing a headgear with a cross like design while campaigning in East Malaysia.
• Century year old tomb stones at Loke Yew Christian Cemetery were vandalized
• Now, two UMNO MPs in parliamentary session demand the removal of the Christian cross and the demolition of Christian statues in mission schools
The sad thing about such incidents is that thru’ “ Pemimpinan melalui teladan†others will follow and if we elect to sacrifice a little liberty in exchange for a little security,at the end we get neither.
In my blog, anotheracutebraindead.blogspot.com
I retold the boiling frog story – a frog dropped into boiling water has sense to leap out, but the frog dropped into cold water can be cooked to death before he realizes he is in serious trouble.
We keep giving and they keep taking and soon it becomes so normal so easily and quickly that we do not even feel it and then there is nothing to give!
if ask to remove then remove it lor, what’s the big fuss, after all we the non-malays, non muslim, better follow, if not nanti susah lor. HiStory has told us not to mess with ‘them’
They are in power they can do what ever they like is it. Indians / Chinese / even civilized Malay should support the opposition change Goverment example AUSTRALIA
Foremostly, I personally thank YB Lim for your intepridities in speaking out against disparaging onslaught on the Christian creed. Every pre-dawn I was woken up by Muslim prayers aided by the loud-hailers and massive loud-speakers from a nearby mosque and I have not heard anyone complaint to their MPs yet.
Both ‘superfascist’ MP’s who raises such childish demands for the removal of the Christian cross and the demolition of Christian statues in mission schools reflects religious zealots are at loose again as my personal observation of the ruthless UMNO MPs
at work in Parliment are pre-meditated and sanctioned by the top echelons wherein I conclude:-
THE TRUTH ABOUT THE CON GAME AND HOW IT IS PLAYED
Almost everytime a serious issues are raised such as the leaking of the roof of the Parliament by MP Fong, an UMNO MP/s readily stonewalls by making mockering remarks on the subjects and another few MPs jumps in thier supports to divert the attention causing discords thus prompted the SPEAKER to intefere in quasi favor of the BN felons. What we see in the Parliament is a masquarade by the BN felons. If this is the Academy Awards, they could easily won few Oscars at hand. This is the reason that the minority opposition MPs are ‘defeated’ by the pre-meditated powerplay every now and then.
And speaking about the call by the Islamic zealots to dismantle any
emblems of other creed, does any Christians MP stand up to protest? What honour do they have by walking onto the Church and prays professing thier faith? When these two persecuters MPs spoke explicitly, why is that YB Lim is the only MP who stood up
for Christianity? Why wasn’t any pastors, priests or clergymen take cautionery steps to rubuke the Islamic zealotry?
Every now and then, being a Christian myself, you could get all sorts of donations and assistance from most Christians, but whenever political sanctioned persecutions such as Christian genocidal occurs in East Timor and around the world, most Malaysian christians stays reticent and cower as a rat. For all the Christians MPs who are muted by the arrogances of Muslim extremists, they not only fail to speak up for their subordinates but they fail GOD whom they professed.
Thereupon for all the Christians MPs who are still publicly silent, I strongly urged all of yous to renounce the faith in shame and shame on them! Let’s vote them off to the stone age!
These are the items on the agenda of the next cabinet meeting:
1)To instruct all the mainstream media to inform voters not to put a cross next to the name of any BN candidate.
2)To remove all the traffic signs showing cross roads ahead.
3)To remove all traffic warning signs before railway crossings.
harrisonbinhansome Says:
December 4th, 2007 at 03: 23.59
…Why wasn’t any pastors, priests or clergymen take cautionery steps to rubuke the Islamic zealotry?
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As I have said earlier it was the Christian missionaries that came and started schools & hospitals making them available to the general public from all the races in this land back in the 19th century. It is regrettable indeed some people are just too shallow to be able to feel grateful for it.
Don’t lose your sleep over them lest you become just as shallow. It is the duty of all MPs to caution these 2 ungrateful sons and I would prefer none Christian MPs to take up the case before some “well meaning” people turn it into a religious fight inside the Parliament.
I just read these portion of scriptures this morning and I hope we can all be encouraged:- (New King James Version)
a) Love Your Enemies
Matthew 5:43-48
43 Jesus said “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’
44 But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you,
45 that you may be sons of your Father in heaven; for He makes His sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust.
46 For if you love those who love you, what reward have you? Do not even the tax collectors do the same?
47 And if you greet your brethren only, what do you do more than others? Do not even the tax collectors do so? 48 Therefore you shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect.
b) Behave Like a Christian
Romans 12: 9 -21
9 Let love be without hypocrisy. Abhor what is evil. Cling to what is good.
10 Be kindly affectionate to one another with brotherly love, in honor giving preference to one another;
11 not lagging in diligence, fervent in spirit, serving the Lord; 12 rejoicing in hope, patient in tribulation, continuing steadfastly in prayer;
13 distributing to the needs of the saints, given to hospitality.
14 Bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse. 15 Rejoice with those who rejoice, and weep with those who weep.
16 Be of the same mind toward one another. Do not set your mind on high things, but associate with the humble. Do not be wise in your own opinion.
17 Repay no one evil for evil. Have regard for good things in the sight of all men.
18 If it is possible, as much as depends on you, live peaceably with all men.
19 Beloved, do not avenge yourselves, but rather give place to wrath; for it is written, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,†says the Lord.
20 Therefore
“ If your enemy is hungry, feed him;
If he is thirsty, give him a drink;
For in so doing you will heap coals of fire on his head.â€Â
21 Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.
I am absolutely certained that God will do the vengeance,if any,without needing any of our help. We don’t need another “Crusaders”.
We are to love God and to love men, men of all color, race & religion. (Jesus said these 2 are the greatest commandments)
Muslims need lots of love!
Many malays send their children to Convent schools because of better education standard and english standards. There are other schools they can go to if they are so intolerant. Nobody tied their limbs and forced them to register their kids here right?
IN JB, HIJ Convent is amongst the most cherished schools. HIJ of course stands for Holy Infant Jesus. Next they will ask to change the name too! Whatla pm with the big ears…………..open your trap and talk like a leader of all Malaysians.
The cross is symbolic…..some say it is crossing out of the I (ego). That is a good symbol if you ask me.
If you are against symbols, then why do the rituals at Mekah? Aren’t they also symbolic? The Haj is also symbolic isn’t it? Doesn’t the Kaaba contain symbols? What lah these bangang punya berok. Dont they realise that the world is watching and theya re making fools of themselves and making the nation look stupid?
Come to think of it, these are the panyangak….including Nazri of course.
“Many malays send their children to Convent schools…”
The boys too???
As for the cross, others see a crucifix each time they look at the cross. Others look at a cross and see a cross. If we see a crucifix when we look at a cross, then mathematics and algebra will have to be excluded from the school syllabus – a new first for UMNO!
The fact of the matter is that UMNO would not survive until today and will not last for long without the right-wing of the party. Its a big group but more importantly, they are a more politically active group. They know it and so does the likes of Najib, Hissamuddin and KJ. The problem is the middle and left wing of UMNO are an incoherent and apathetic often over-idealistic lot.
Other countries have counters to such groups such as strong leadership or a strong capitalistic culture. Malay don’t have that traditionally and even today, their wealthy are mainly state power brokers not real capitalist capable of harnessing power of the masses against such extremism.
Its why during the founding of our country, the fight over the issue of secularity was very important and clearly stated in the Reid commission. It was known even than that only a secular constitution was going to prevent religious extremism. But when it comes to the final drafting of the constitution Tunku made the point that without the word Islam and inclusion of the word secular would have made it unacceptable to right wing and even the Sultans who derived powers from their role in state and religion.
Hence it was purposely crafted that the constitution should all the features of secularity such as guarantees of equal rights and freedom of religion, which as actually alien to Islamist back then.
When Tunku realized that the Islamic group could gain ascendency, he repeatedly warn against setting up an Islamic state, a fact Malay leaders don’t like to talk about.
Dr. M is of course largely responsible for this because the political opportunist in him knew the power of tapping religion. Lets face it. Dr. M is no great intellect. He was talented as a opportunist and the problem began when he tapped that opportunistic talent and mediocre intellect into something as dangerous as religion. He figured if he screw up, we have to fix it for him like privatization, mega projects and all the corruption and scandals. Most people forget that Dr. M is also largely responsible for UMNO’s money politic culture despite him saying he is against it.
So yes, extreme Islamization is a leftover of Dr. M and the ultras in UMNO. But worst, we have lost what little we have to fight it. All we can hope for is really globalization and technology because frankly we are incapable of doing it ourselves.
One must not underestimate the enormous damage of decades of bad leadership, role models and damaging politics of race and religion had on our country and her ordinary people.
There is no quick fix.
Obviously these 2 morons werent the product of any missionary schools.
right after may 13th, umno learn about their weaknesses and also influent the Royal constitution to take desirable measure to prevent their future might be taken over. there was a ‘tainted’ story about past and future delivered for Royal consent.
then, the beginning of influxs of new brotherhood from neighboring countries to make up numbers.
soon, there are master plan to enriched all the Royal families through revolution changes.
one thing to another, Malaysia have evolved to what she is today.
and along these success stories, we have ‘sold’ away many Malaysian dreams to keep those scandal stories going.
as mentioned, it’s the Royal decision and they have to wake up to this call. their lands and people are crying.
wealth can be a great feeling , however, lands and people are the most valuable asset that Royal families must realised to grow.
religion were put to the test by government to keep unity away from Malaysian.
sad case ..
No wonder the number of our road accidents is so high and no wonder there are so many students who cannot add – they don’t see ‘+’ (not in their vocabulary or list of of symbols) or ‘+’ is haram to them.
As LittleBird wrote, Malaysia has to replace ‘+’ with ‘(‘ to be religiously correct. Yeah, go global and glocal!
We have gone backward in many things….from the oil revenue and tax pay money we are able to distribute wealth to make a few happy, now greedy.
If after 50 years, you have failed to build on the hard work and scarify of past generations’ great achievements and strenghtened the essential fundamentals of successful nation building, how is the country going to move forward and compete with other countries??
kuwait used to buy bibles to burn, then it needs usa to save it from iraq, afghan.taliban destroyed buddha statue, then it had to loose power on afghan. n hide in mountains away from american.
I have not been to Malaysia for yonks let alone at the time of year leading up to Christmas.
I wonder if Christmas carols are still being aired in shopping complexes like they used to do way back then or is this now clamped down like more and more liberties are being subject to these days?
UMNO led goverment will destroy Malaysia,They are not bothered about anything else but protecting Malay rights and the Muslim religion,to the extent that they are making every one else look small.It is not wrong to protect ones religion ,but it is wrong to belittle another religion
Don,t do on to others ,what you don,t want others to do on to you.If we can all follow this saying…Malaysia will be a beautiful place to be in.
Re some of the comments above; I beg to differ, as a Malay and I can say that the Malay majority has no ill feelings whatsoever to the other races. Let me reassure these committments.
Yes I agree, remove all crosses from this Islamic nation.
1. the Plus sign + must be changed to a crescent : 1 C 1 = 2
2. the X and multiplication sign should be replaced.
3. the # symbol should be banned.
4. there should be no “cross” roads.
5. Ballot papers should be marked with tick and not crossed.
6. All TV and movies images of crosses should be blurred out.
I totally agree with izrafeil.
Majority of Malays has no ill feelings and hatred toward other races and religions.
Like the religious violence and conflict in the Middle East, it is the politicians that cause the problems and their people to suffer.
Real Malaysian have no fear living in this country …
All fears have been carefully ‘planted’ by UMNO to blurred out national unity and also keep out any potential harm to their plan.
We were make running on the treadmill for years to keep gaming our Malaysian dream to come true.
Sad ?
It’s political world …..
It’s all about greed …
madmix:
The letter `t` should also be banned.
And the `sari` and indian movies should be banned also:
Most men would simply suffer in silence, but not Nik Abdul Aziz Nik Mat, the one man in Malaysia with the guts to speak the truth to power,
http://www.rightwingnews.com/mt331/2007/11/muslim_cleric_sexy_clothing_is.php
Most Muslims in Malaysia are peaceful people.
The only trouble is they don’t speak up against the religious fanatics!
There may be a hundread fanatics here, but the majority peace loving Muslims are not saying NO to them!
I knew in advance that the government doesn’t like the cross. That’s why I always put the cross beside the DAP candidates during general election. I hope everyone will do the same.
Will all the crosses on the graves in Christian cemetries be removed and replaced with the crescent or other symbols? E.g. symbols such as ^, &, $, @, , ~, {%}, [=], [()] ?
Looks like the Pope will have to remove the cross from his headgear too and replace it with the hammer and sickle…
“The dhimmi stands with his head bowed and his back bent. The jizya is placed in the balance and the taker seizes his beard and hits his chin.â€Â
This is probably a ploy by UmmmmNoo to incite hatred and when ppl retaliate they can in return send out a stronger message and beg their fellow ppl to stand united. Hey, when they are desperate for votes with GE looming, they will do whatever is deemed necessary to stay in power.
Now what..do the UMNOPUTRAS want CHRISRAF (CHRISTIAN RELIGION ACTION FORCE) By the rate they are inciting extremism I would not be surprised that each religion would start an action force against these racist UMNO. UMNO.. Stop this immediately pls..You are tearing down Malaysia & risk casting her into a state of irreparable civil oblivion.
M’sian MATHS not + 1 oh…bcoz that resembles CROSS..so no Plus!
Malaysia boleh..n please do not use small cap t in your A-Z!
Next, all bakeries, beware, no hot cross buns. Hot crescent buns, yes.
No ‘Cross My Heart’ song, novel, etc. – Have to change to ‘Crescent My Heart’.
Santa Claus must dress in green, not red.
AAB told TIME recently, “We are not a secular state, but neither are we a theocracy.” Ho, ho, ho ……….
Some people shouldn’t live and work in structures constructed from reinforced concrete within which is found those criss-crossing mesh steel frames.
All road system must never criss-cross anywhere!
Most certainly they should also not wear any clothes made from criss-crossing fabrics!
What utter hypocrisy and absolute irony behind those asinine dogmatic attitude masquerading as holiness!
I grieve for the pathetic and insensitivity of the Minister & Deputy Minister of Education. Instead of being grateful for the rich Christian heritage and seminal contributions of Mission schools to the growth and development of education in Malaysia, the Malaysian government has systematically ‘destroyed’ the rich legacies and traditions in educational excellence that have been achieved on the blood, sweat, toil and tears of the founding Christian brothers and sisters. To be sure, no words can adequately express my grief and shock!
As for Mohd Aziz of Sri Gading – an established clown of ill-repute and trivial accomplishments in the malaysian Parliament, the first thought that crossed my mind when I read of his antics again is simply this – whilst outgoing MPs like Dr Toh Kin Woon seek to fortify their records and legacy in and outside Parliament on the eve of their retirement with honest candour and pragmatic wisdom for the national good, we still have flamboyantly ugly displays by other MPs who have long outlived their usefulness like Mohd Aziz, Bung of Kinabatangan (who is so ugly, I keep forgetting his full name even after all his public display of buffoonery!), Said of jasin etc. These MPs rudely seek the media attention with flagrant and vulgar topics that if not for their sensationalism would be best consigned to the garbage bins of inanities.
Now what is Mohd Aziz trying to prove? This man who is as immoral as any that had hogged Malaysian political space, now speaks pretentiously as if he is a nationalist with respectable credentials. But if you know this man as well as I do, you would walk away without a whit of doubt that the only gift God has given him is a BIG MOUTH. What God gave him like all others too is a brain as well but which alas and alack has been so despoiled by parochialism, narcissism and moral corruption, it is a waste of my time to engage him in any meaningful exchange or grant him the respect of more words than is necessary.
Of course, you may disagree. But then you have not met this man!
“AAB told TIME recently, “We are not a secular state, but neither are we a theocracy.†Ho, ho, ho ……….”
In the U.S. today Santa is not allowed to say, “Ho..ho..ho!” because some might translate to mean “Hoe…hoe..hoe”.
In case some among our young translate that to Bahasa and think we are talking ‘cangkul’, may I take this opportunity to remind them that the English language like all languages have a life of their own.
supreme_evil_chick said she might be worried that the ISA may come down on her for posting what she wrote, but I’d say they should pay the two UMNO fellas a visit.
And if the Government decides to implement what these two bozos suggested, don’t stop there:
1. Ban and confiscate Buddhists from burning joss sticks
2. Fine Hindus for putting up flame lights and littering all over with rangoli
Malaysia Bohleh
what kind of stupid , barbaric and uncivilised MPs they are??
how about the feeling of non-Muslim students when we entering into Local University, need to study and memorise the whole Tamadun Islam text?????then i am sure the MPs of Sri gading and Parity sulong will say bagus..kamu akan mengenali Islam lebih dekat..
we even neither force Muslims nor ask them to study in mission school….
if so hard, then dont send their children to our Mission Schools…
come on la…
in Mission Schools, we were educated to be a good citizen and loyal to our country.
leave us alone..
if like that again….they will pay for what they say!!
getting sick reading all this blogs.what is our sleeping bodowi doing with his big ears listening to all those hp6 minister n stupid mps talking rubbish n been racist..my advice to MIC N Fellow Mandos can U KEEP YOUR BIG mouth shut u guys are good 4 nutting.dont fool the indians anymore.we are malaysian n its for all races n whatever religion to be happy n enjoy the fruits our great n grand fathers planted for us.not just for 1 or elite to enjoy.plz wake up bodowi the nations is awake to see u talk n think out of the box.do the walk n not just talk.its been 4 years now??????how long do u need
Nowadays, we see more Muslim children studying at mission schools than the Christians. Why Muslim parents not sending their children to sekolah agama??? Why Muslim parents complain when the non-Muslim children bring pork to school? After all, it’s mission school.
Why the DPM went to the mission school eventhough there were at that time also sekolah pondok that taught about their so-called “true” religion? Why they went overseas to further their studies and not to other Islamic countries?
Local uni non-Muslim students study Tamadan Islam with the objective according to the government that they will know or perhaps understand their Muslim friends better when they mix with them whether at work or in any situation BUT why don’t the Muslim students study about other faiths too so that they will stop criticising other faiths and live in harmony?
Don’t try to play GOD because we are not GOD unless you can create the air, the sea even the Heaven!